Meanwhile on RS they're killin bear, deer, elk , and moose with .223 and 77gr TMK.

[Buzzsaw]

Here you go good luck. Cheers

Case: Federal
Primer: CCI #41
Powder: H-355 (25.5grs)
Bullet: Sierra 65gr SPBT GK #1395
Vel's: 3125 fps from my bolt rifle.
I also give them a little crimp with the Lee factory crimp die.

Thank you sir !! Merry Christmas.

 

[billflangjr813]

That 73gr and the 88gr ELD bullets are just as destructive and alot easier to find than the TMK.

I think I will pass on this conversation!! If I go back to war I'll stick with the 5.56 or what ever we're using now. I'm going back to hunting. LOL

 

[Buzzsaw]

Straight from Sierra's app:

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Thanks, I have the manual, just looking for data other .223 reloaders have success with. Always looking for something to make me leave Varget and AR Comp.

 

[436]

Thank you sir !! Merry Christmas.

And a very Merry Christmas to you as well.

 

[xsn10s]

Mostly a lurker here; my focus is Elk hunting. I've read through that thread on RS. My take on this is that it depends on what type of hunting you do, and what your skills are. I hunted with archery for over 20 years, killing over 30 big game animals, and I get the concept of picking your shots, avoiding bone. I met a Wyoming Elk guide that shot a 25-06, but he freely admitted that he was "surgical" about shot placement on a bull Elk.

I shoot both a 264 win mag, and a 300PRC, and have seen how the 300 bucks the wind better than the 264. I love shooting the 264, but when I go on an Elk hunt where I might have a cross-canyon shot at a bull of a lifetime, I bring the 300PRC. I bet that 223 bullet does much worse in wind than my 264. Every Elk guide I have spoken with recommends clients start with a 7mm, and have a preference for the 30s; this is their advise after guiding over 1000 Elk hunts. Sometimes the perfect shot doesn't present itself, or the animal shifts just as you're squeezing off the shot, and you need a bullet that will do the job after hitting heavy bone. In my opinion, a 223 bullet cannot be expected to buck the wind on a cross canyon shot, and do the job after hitting heavy bone.

The barrel twist on factory 264 win were slow by today's standards. I believe my buddy's Winchester was 1-10" which made it almost useless as a LR rifle. I see the 77 gr TMK having a better BC than some of the 100 gr and 120 gr "hunting" bullets out there. As far as a 300 PRC it depends on the bullet used and the ability to read wind. A better BC of course helps, but reading the wind and terrain is the needed skill. Out here in the PWN we HAVE to be able to read the wind. It's usually windy and many places a long shot might be the only shot. I took my 73 gr ELDM load out to 750 yards through my AR15 last week. First round hit on 750 yard coyote.

 

[bamban]

I went there out of 4 million posts, all I saw were autopsy pics, no load data

223, 77TMK at M16 mag length. 25 grains of N540. 24 grains oh H4895 LC brass, CCI 450 or 41. Those were my standard service rifle loads. Safe in my rifles, start low and work up.

 

[Dooner]

The barrel twist on factory 264 win were slow by today's standards. I believe my buddy's Winchester was 1-10" which made it almost useless as a LR rifle. I see the 77 gr TMK having a better BC than some of the 100 gr and 120 gr "hunting" bullets out there. As far as a 300 PRC it depends on the bullet used and the ability to read wind. A better BC of course helps, but reading the wind and terrain is the needed skill. Out here in the PWN we HAVE to be able to read the wind. It's usually windy and many places a long shot might be the only shot. I took my 73 gr ELDM load out to 750 yards through my AR15 last week. First round hit on 750 yard coyote.

One of my 264s is a model 70 super grade that I bought just because it's a cool looking gun. It has a 1:9 twist. The other 264 is a custom with a 1: 7.5 twist. My 300 PRC has a 1:8 twist. So, twist rate is not my issue.

I never said that a person, shooting a 223, couldn't hit a target out at 750 yards, or that it wouldn't kill an animal at that distance. I'm arguing percentages.

Again, my focus is elk hunting. I want to shoot a bullet that will have enough momentum to breakthrough bone and still continue on to penetrate. I also have seen from first-hand experience that my 300PRC does buck the wind better than the 264 winmag. However, both of these guns would have a higher percentage of a quick, clean, kill at 700+ yardage than any 223 bullet.

 

[xsn10s]

.223 for bear, deer, elk and moose.

EVERY new bore get punched with a cleaning rod, to get a reading on it's true Twist Rate before the first shot...

rokslide.com

 

[xsn10s]

.223 for bear, deer, elk and moose.

There are a lot of very dead elk that were shot with the 7-08. If you are good with it to 450 yards and practice with it more than the others, my suggestion would be to keep using it. I have killed a pile of animals with the 139 grain SSTs, however none of them were elk. That being said, I...

rokslide.com

 

[xsn10s]

Those last two posts are for elk over 600 yards.

 

[Dooner]

Yes, I have read to the RS thread. I'm not disputing that that a 223 would kill an elk at over 600 yards. I'm just talking about percentages in killing the elk, and actually finding it. I'd like to see one experienced elk or moose guide that would recommend a 233 over a 7 or 30 cal. Not gonna happen.

 

[xsn10s]

Yes, I have read to the RS thread. I'm not disputing that that a 223 would kill an elk at over 600 yards. I'm just talking about percentages in killing the elk, and actually finding it. I'd like to see one experienced elk or moose guide that would recommend a 233 over a 7 or 30 cal. Not gonna happen.

What load are you shooting in your 30 PRC? LOL and I never said use a .223 77 gr TMK over any other round. I simply said the terminal performance of said rounds what impressive. Surprising would be a better word lol.

 

[Small Lady]

This thread makes me wonder, since some people who shoot a cartridge starting with a 3??, think that a cartridge starting in a 2?? is too small.
Do people who shoot a 4??, think a 3?? is too small?
And those who shoot a 5??, then also think a 4?? is too small?

 

[Darryle]

The old adage no replacement for displacement is slowly being pushed aside.

Years ago, bullet designs were stagnant, suddenly, what was a far poke at 200yds, is now a chip shot. Cartridge designs, optic designs, fast twist barrels, bullet designs and now technology have taken that far poke from 200yds to 800yds+.

The main problem I see using the little bullets is they have a tendency to get pushed around fairly easy. It is actually harder for an average shooter to get a .224 diameter 62gr - 88gr bullet on target at 800 - 1000yds than it is a .308 diameter 225gr bullet.

The person behind the trigger, his skillset and the knowledge between his ears is the biggest factors in making it happen. There are some very, very talented people here when it comes to "making it happen".

Combine all the factors in the second paragraph and then add (subtract) the fact that the average shooter is greatly overconfident in their abilities, myself included, equals failure.

I am impressed with the 22lr NRL guys, that is impressive to witness, little bitty 40grish bullets out to 500yds, I can't do it. One reason I want a DI Precision 22lr rifle.