Mass Shootings - Why?

[L.Sherm]

The entire Bill of Rights are what makes this Country different and Special. They are Sacred to me. If I can get anyone interest in learning the truth about our Country I will try. I may not be good at it, but I will try. Hopefully some of you are better at it than I am and will try too. All Citizens need to know all the good and bad things that were done to create what we have before it is lost. This is no longer being taught in Government schools like it was when I was a boy and schools were under local control. It will be completely lost in another generation if we don't take the time to teach it.

AMEN BROTHER!!!

 

[L.Sherm]

Once people start realizing this they'll take more personal responsibility in their own self protection. Now anyone can protect themselves and others. It just requires the physical ability, the mindset, and the awareness to do so. Training goes a long way to getting someone ready to prevail. So anyone that claims a citizen, teacher, ete cannot protect themselves with a firearm I'd say they are wrong.

I've believed my whole life nobody looks out for YOU MORE THAN YOU!
Don't ever think different, especially government.

 

[vedauvoo]

Just because progressives loved what he has written does not make him wrong or that he is lying. If you read his story, he got tired of falling in lock step with the industry. His wife supports everything he wrote. He said she was the main reason he started questioning his actions. There is no indication that he did it for money or that he wanted to be the token traitor for the progressives. He was the vice president of a weapons manufacturer and I imagine he made pretty good money and would have probably made allot more staying in the industry and playing along. Also, why hasn't his former employer come out and denied his allegations? As for Cheney, she believes in what she is doing and is risking re-election. With the exception of Romney, which I am sure you hate as well, she has bigger balls than all the other republicans in the senate put together. The only reason most of those people got behind Trump was in fear for their jobs. You can't tell me that they didn't hate his guts when he got first elected. The lincoln project is made up of republicans who don't like the direction the party went in when it elected Trump. They want to take the party back to what it was. Its their right. It does not make them traitors. I don't know why but when people put their livelihoods on the line because of principle, they gain respect with me even if I don't agree with them.

To be clear, I do not hate either Liz Cheney or Mitt Romney. As someone from Utah, I am disillusioned with Romney in that he fails to represent the majority of our state. He spends most of his time in California and seldom interacts with the vast unwashed from Utah. And as one who also lived in Wyoming for 10 years, I feel the same about Cheney. She parted ways with the Wyoming's populace some time ago (and is about to get soundly primaried) .

I am certain that these folks are sincere. I just think that they have lost touch with their constituencies and have unwittingly betrayed those who sent them to Washington.

And I have not called those who comprise the Lincoln Project traitors. I think their actions have shown that they are not behaving as simply opposing Trump. Rick Wilson of said Project showed his true colors with his comments to CNN host Don Lemon in January 2020...

(https://www.breitbart.com/clips/202...umps-credulous-boomer-rube-demo-yall-elitist/)

...when he mocked "credulous boomer rubes", one of the most despicable and condescending performances I have ever seen. And then there are the "kid toucher" and financial scandals from February 2021...

(https://www.politico.com/news/2021/02/12/lincoln-project-scandal-468984

...of their history. Whatever else you think these guys are, they are grifters and have made a ton of money slamming half of our country. They hang around with like-minded elites in nearby Park City poking fun at the "Proles".

And none of these people has put their livelihoods on the line. Rather, they were either already loaded (Romney) or very comfortable (Cheney and Wilson). I don't know how much Ryan Basse is worth.

But I digress. To bring this back to Muddyboots original question...

What substantive things have Basse, Romney, Cheney, or Wilson done to reduce the likelihood of mass school shootings in the US?

 

[vedauvoo]

To be clear, I do not hate either Liz Cheney or Mitt Romney. As someone from Utah, I am disillusioned with Romney in that he fails to represent the majority of our state. He spends most of his time in California and seldom interacts with the vast unwashed from Utah. And as one who also lived in Wyoming for 10 years, I feel the same about Cheney. She parted ways with the Wyoming's populace some time ago (and is about to get soundly primaried) .

I am certain that these folks are sincere. I just think that they have lost touch with their constituencies and have unwittingly betrayed those who sent them to Washington.

And I have not called those who comprise the Lincoln Project traitors. I think their actions have shown that they are not behaving as simply opposing Trump. Rick Wilson of said Project showed his true colors with his comments to CNN host Don Lemon in January 2020...

(https://www.breitbart.com/clips/202...umps-credulous-boomer-rube-demo-yall-elitist/)

...when he mocked "credulous boomer rubes", one of the most despicable and condescending performances I have ever seen. And then there are the "kid toucher" and financial scandals from February 2021...

(https://www.politico.com/news/2021/02/12/lincoln-project-scandal-468984

...of their history. Whatever else you think these guys are, they are grifters and have made a ton of money slamming half of our country. They hang around with like-minded elites in nearby Park City poking fun at the "Proles".

And none of these people has put their livelihoods on the line. Rather, they were either already loaded (Romney) or very comfortable (Cheney and Wilson). I don't know how much Ryan Basse is worth.

But I digress. To bring this back to Muddyboots original question...

What substantive things have Basse, Romney, Cheney, or Wilson done to reduce the likelihood of mass school shootings in the US?

...Sorry. Kinda got in the weeds with this post.

 

[WahooYahoo]

You just torn it apart and made it meaningless. You just tossed out "a well regulated militia is necessary for the security of a free state.". Thats the first half of the amendment. You are saying the first half of the 2nd amendment is meaningless but the 2nd half isn't. Along with tossing out the militia, you are tossing out the 2nd amendment being necessary for the security of the free state. Isn't that the entire point of the 2nd amendment?

No. It doesn't say a well regulated militia is a requirement for the preservation of the right. It says that the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

If your position were reflected in the amendment it would have included that the right is dependent on a milita or only reserved to those in a militia.

In the event that a well regulated militia were needed, today or anytime, it would require on that day to have the right to keep and bear arms.

The restriction placed on the government is that it "shall not infringe". There are no exceptions made for when or why it can infringe.

That doesn't mean it won't try. They have infringed several times. … courts interpretation and what not.

 

[Orange Dust]

...Sorry. Kinda got in the weeds with this post.

Several of us are down there rolling in them with you, but this is a great discussion. Glad Muddy started it.

 

[xsn10s]

Okay so now the story is the teacher closed the door, but it didn't lock. That's consistent with the reports from some parents that the doors were not locked that day when they were normally closed and locked. That seems like a possible admin call. Either higher echelon school or school police decision.

https://www.npr.org/2022/06/01/1102355422/uvalde-shooting-teacher-door

 

[Orange Dust]

OK out of the weeds. Been to a restaurant lately? I know, food is so high its become a treat, but next time you do look around, closely. You should be doing this anyway these days. The couple next to you, they are both on their phones texting, hopefully each other. The family on the other side with two kids. All on their phones. The table with 10 women all talking loudly. They are all drunk. The theme here is very few are actually both sober and enjoying the company they are with. Most actually look bored waiting for their food. Sharing food should be a bonding experience. We always made it a point to find a way to have dinner together as a family with no interruptions. This was always the best time to find out what was going on in our kids lives. They like to talk while eating and you need to listen. The screens need to go away at least during dinner.

 

[LkeAF]

That same week a lady stopped a shooter with her legal firearm. A Vice Principal in Oklahoma stopped a school shooter with his firearm after he retrieved it. Armed citizens stop criminals all the time. Some kids have died trying to protect others from danger. As have teachers.

That's awesome. I'm glad she did. And I would love to hear more of this in the media because there is absolutely validity to the argument that a good person with a gun can stop a bad person with a gun. But that wasn't my point. My point is simply that it does not and should not be a requirement (or even expected) for a teaching position. Teachers have a hard enough time trying to teach kids who come from homes with parents who aren't responsible enough to have procreated to start with....

 

[Orange Dust]

Okay so now the story is the teacher closed the door, but it didn't lock. That's consistent with the reports from some parents that the doors were not locked that day when they were normally closed and locked. That seems like a possible admin call. Either higher echelon school or school police decision.

https://www.npr.org/2022/06/01/1102355422/uvalde-shooting-teacher-door

I believe it was Award day and Security was lax or non existent. Looks to me like a day with a school full of strangers calls for extra Security, not less. But that is Monday morning quarterbacking on my part.

 

[xsn10s]

That's awesome. I'm glad she did. And I would love to hear more of this in the media because there is absolutely validity to the argument that a good person with a gun can stop a bad person with a gun. But that wasn't my point. My point is simply that it does not and should not be a requirement (or even expected) for a teaching position. Teachers have a hard enough time trying to teach kids who come from homes with parents who aren't responsible enough to have procreated to start with....

I worked in education. For college students and more recently for elementary school kids. I agree it shouldn't be a requirement for teachers to be armed. It's a personal choice. But as a last line of DEFENSE I believe they should be given the option. I'd promote training and co-ordination with the local police department. But again it would be a choice, not a requirement. not all people have the right mindset for self defense.

 

[xsn10s]

I believe it was Award day and Security was lax or non existent. Looks to me like a day with a school full of strangers calls for extra Security, not less. But that is Monday morning quarterbacking on my part.

I agree. Hind sight is 20/20, but I agree that security should have been increased. Having worked for an elementary school I fail to understand how the doors were unblocked. Especially since they were normally locked.

 

[Orange Dust]

I agree. Hind sight is 20/20, but I agree that security should have been increased. Having worked for an elementary school I fail to understand how the doors were unblocked. Especially since they were normally locked.

Perfect storm huh? I'll bet Texas learns from this one and comes up with better Security and a better action plan. Will the rest of the Country? Will Washington actually come up with a good plan to secure the schools they took over, or will they simply use these children's death to score political points to further their agendas? Time will tell if they care even a little about those that put them where they are. I suspect we will all be disappointed. Sure hope not, but it IS an election year, and they will be held accountable for their actions, so there is a sliver of hope.

 

[Orange Dust]

I agree and understand completely but the purpose was to have militias rather than a standing army as you pointed out. Every able bodied person was expected to be armed, trained, and ready for battle. Again, because that was needed in order not to have a standing army as you pointed out. We have a standing army and we have no militias. Seems like the intent of the 2nd amendment has gone by the wayside. Its no longer applicable. Seems like the first part of the 2nd amendment dealing with militias should be removed at the very least.

maybe it should be changed from

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

to

"The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed, being necessary to the security of a free State."

That's the way everyone is interpreting it. Might as well make it official and remove all doubt.

Jim, Are you not a well trained Sniper? Think about it. You sit and wait for hours, hidden, waiting for whatever animal you're seeking to come by, unaware of your presence, so you can shoot and kill it? Sounds like a well regulated Sniper to me.