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Mass Shootings - Why?
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I think the point is that gun laws dont help.
Honestly, I would really like to support your position. I really would. I would like for our side to help the situation instead of always being shown to dig in and refuse to budge.
But we've seen far too many times where politicians say that all they want is "X" but then they move the goal posts and ask for more.
Nope. An inanimate object is not to blame, that rests entirely with the shooter.
And no law is going to change that.
LRNUT, In all seriousness I will answer your questions. In return it would be nice if you answered mine. There is a reaso I ask simple yes or know questions. It flushes out a liberal. They deflect and not answer questions if it doesn't fit their philosophy.
You sre willing to chip away at the first amendment to prohibit video games. I am not. I believe it is the parents job to regulate their kids behavior not the government.
Getting a class iii is similar to a background check. It just takes longer. Now around 60-90 days. If the government wants to legally do this they would need to pass an amendment to the constitution which will never pass. The bottom line is if they can't get their own gun legally they will find a way. Use the above example in Chicago or many other cities with strict gun laws they do not keep guns out of criminals hands period. Labeling a gun as a class III will not stop a psychopath looking to murder a bunch of people and then get shot by a cop. They don't care what the laws are and there are plenty of black market guns to get your hands on.
Saying the population wants a solution is correct but what you are rallying for fixes nothing. It's a feel good law that accomplishes nothing. There will be more attacks after the law changes and they will want to do more and more and more until you have nothing.
This was my original post-
"My gut tells me to stay off this thread but.....
What we are seeing in this country in my opinion is degradation of morals period. I could go on and on but I think the majority of people here can come up with their own list.
The unfortunate part of this is too many people want to control the few psychopaths at the expense of freedom. In a "free' society that is losing its moral way it will never stop. We can out better security in place in soft targets but it will never completely go away because there will always be a soft target somewhere."
This is not a solution and I don't claim it to be but you can't claim that it would have an affect. If the politicians can fortify themselves into the capitol you can't tell me they can't harden schools.
The interesting or not so interesting part of this which depends how you think is after January 6th where there was very little actual violence our "leaders" surrounded themselves with a fence and security guards with guns but these same people will not do this for children in schools. They just don't want. I also state if you make schools a hard target they will just move on to a soft target. Killing will not stop. It has been going on for eternity. It is more prevalent here because we are free. I have no intentions of a very small percentage of people with mental disorders in this country change this.
You sre willing to chip away at the first amendment to prohibit video games. I am not. I believe it is the parents job to regulate their kids behavior not the government.
Getting a class iii is similar to a background check. It just takes longer. Now around 60-90 days. If the government wants to legally do this they would need to pass an amendment to the constitution which will never pass. The bottom line is if they can't get their own gun legally they will find a way. Use the above example in Chicago or many other cities with strict gun laws they do not keep guns out of criminals hands period. Labeling a gun as a class III will not stop a psychopath looking to murder a bunch of people and then get shot by a cop. They don't care what the laws are and there are plenty of black market guns to get your hands on.
Saying the population wants a solution is correct but what you are rallying for fixes nothing. It's a feel good law that accomplishes nothing. There will be more attacks after the law changes and they will want to do more and more and more until you have nothing.
This was my original post-
"My gut tells me to stay off this thread but.....
What we are seeing in this country in my opinion is degradation of morals period. I could go on and on but I think the majority of people here can come up with their own list.
The unfortunate part of this is too many people want to control the few psychopaths at the expense of freedom. In a "free' society that is losing its moral way it will never stop. We can out better security in place in soft targets but it will never completely go away because there will always be a soft target somewhere."
This is not a solution and I don't claim it to be but you can't claim that it would have an affect. If the politicians can fortify themselves into the capitol you can't tell me they can't harden schools.
The interesting or not so interesting part of this which depends how you think is after January 6th where there was very little actual violence our "leaders" surrounded themselves with a fence and security guards with guns but these same people will not do this for children in schools. They just don't want. I also state if you make schools a hard target they will just move on to a soft target. Killing will not stop. It has been going on for eternity. It is more prevalent here because we are free. I have no intentions of a very small percentage of people with mental disorders in this country change this.
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If gun control laws worked then places that have highly restrictive gun laws like Chicago, LA and so on would be very safe. Besides if they do not enforce laws then it does little good to have them.
Orange Dust
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Well said, Brother
Orange Dust
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Here is another factor no one is talking about. The dems know if they can get any gun control passed in the Senate the GOP will have no chance of retaking it in the fall. What a gift for them. They know full well we will punish any GOP member they can talk into voting for it
Amen to that brother! I think you and I both know how this really came about! However no one wants to broach that scenario!!! Remember the line from the movie "The Shooter" where the Senator said "the truth is what I say it is" That is the truth!!!
You are wrong.
That's is all. Raising the age will do nothing. Under 21 shooters are not the norm so that's just another infringement on law abiding citizens.
Again NFA is just another infringement that we have tolerated. It will have little to no effect. It would again impose undue burden on people who actually are willing to go through the process.
Why is it that people want to restrict guns when these events are so rare? It's nothing but an emotional reaction fueled by the media and government.
That's is all. Raising the age will do nothing. Under 21 shooters are not the norm so that's just another infringement on law abiding citizens.
Again NFA is just another infringement that we have tolerated. It will have little to no effect. It would again impose undue burden on people who actually are willing to go through the process.
Why is it that people want to restrict guns when these events are so rare? It's nothing but an emotional reaction fueled by the media and government.
Are you at the same time acceptable to raising the voting age to 21 and the age to join the military to 21?
What other rights are you willing to age restrict?
And I'm just saying you are ignoring the obvious.
ShoNuff
I think it's pretty simple. What all has increased in the last 20-30 years?
- www
- tv
- video games
- ease of access/availability/popularization of assault style rifles
- increasing number of moron parents who don't parent their children
*I support ownership of these rifles but would like to see more restrictions placed on under 21 sales
- www
- tv
- video games
- ease of access/availability/popularization of assault style rifles
- increasing number of moron parents who don't parent their children
*I support ownership of these rifles but would like to see more restrictions placed on under 21 sales
Orange Dust
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Nailed it with the next to the last one. The rest are lib talking points.
All of these gun control proposals are "external" & do not address the heart of the matter, which is why they will not work & further punish law abiding citizens. Most of the proposals are a slippery slope, where does it stop? It wont till they have banned everything & the population is at the mercy of the government or at the mercy of evil criminals......u decide which is worse.
Look at the headlines of Canada that came out yesterday, No more handgun sales, transfers or importation, Mandatory buyback of AR-15, any other Rifles can only have 5rd . The gun control lobby would love that here as well.....stand up now or that is what you can expect here.
