Mass Shootings - Why?

[2buffalo]

If you don't mind squeeeeze I would like to quote you from another thread so people know what they are dealing with-

"Sounds Like Jen Psaki talking points and exhaustive FAR LEFT redderick. Only thing he's missing is saying "circle back" I think that name needs to be changed to JenFromTn lol."

 

[Orange Dust]

I have never seen a crate of AKs that cheap but I have often thought that buying a crate of sks's would have been a good investment.

As for the article, the person being interviewed was the vice president of marketing for kimber for 28 years. He became a turncoat on the industry and Kimber understandably distanced themselves from him. It does not mean that he is lying about the industry targeting young people by paying to get their guns into video games and movies. That claim about the industry is not new. It was part of the sandy hook lawsuit against remington. They claimed that remington targeted young people by product placement in video games. It is far more believable than all of the conspiracy theories about this. Its no different than when the tobacco industry targeted young people.

there could be some truth to it, but considering the source, propaganda anyway.

 

[2buffalo]

I probably should not wade in, but oh well...

The fault does lie at the shooter's feet. But we cannot prevent every lunatic from shooting up schools unless we make it more difficult to do so. One way would be to raise the gun buying age to 21 for semiautomatic rifles. Another would be to make ARs and other semi-automatic rifles (perhaps excepting specific models such as the Browning BAR) Class III weapons under the NFA of 1934 but grandfather current owners. Every time I go to the Phoenix range these days I see multiple rifles with suppressors. Many LRH members have them, so it cannot be that difficult. And finally, we should ban shooter games - the "science" would say there is a strong correlation to these and mass killings.

Arming more people is not what the majority of the people in this country want. Most teachers do not want to carry weapons.

You can talk all day long about lack of parenting, etc. but too many families, many of whom own guns, are afraid it is only a matter of time before their child is killed. My SIL is a school teacher. I own an AR. I don't think making them Class III is too high of a price to pay if stops these killings. Sure, you can say lunatics will find other ways to kill kids, but I am willing to bet anyone here a lot of money that the frequency of mass killings would decline. But even if it didn't, it would force society to come to terms to with the problem. No other country has the number of mass shootings that we do in the US. It is simply too easy for a lunatic to walk into a gun store, buy an AR, and shoot up a school, movie theater, or some other complex.

Anyone who believes the government is behind this probably thinks the government was behind 911. Get real. You sound ridiculous and make us look like a bunch of idiots.

We can offer solutions ourselves or we can wait until enough people do it for us. We know the cries to ban ARs grows louder with every school shooting. At some point, this will happen. Doing something now will ensure we can all shoot LR in the future.

Ok, I am ready for the pounding...

Do you really truly think that anything you said above would stop someone who wants to kill people? Do you truly think that if they ban "assault rifles" they will stop there? Do you believe if they rounded up every "assault weapon" in the country killing would stop or would the killers just find a different weapon to use? Do you believe that once a killer used a different weapon to assault people then that would now be considered an "assault weapon" and consequently be banned?

 

[JimFromTN]

In 1907, our great grandparents purchased Winchester automatic rifles from the Sears catalog and was delivered by the us postal service. For 40 years Civilians had these rifles (400k of them ) while our military still used the bolt gun. Up until WW2.

I do believe people were better back then.

Actually, the National Firearms Act of 1934 was passed because they were being used in crimes. They along with sawed off shotguns were referred to as gangster weapons.

 

[JimFromTN]

Do you really truly think that anything you said above would stop someone who wants to kill people? Do you truly think that if they ban "assault rifles" they will stop there? Do you believe if they rounded up every "assault weapon" in the country killing would stop or would the killers just find a different weapon to use? Do you believe that once a killer used a different weapon to assault people then that would now be considered an "assault weapon" and consequently be banned?

I think he answers those questions in paragraph 4

 

[LRNut]

Do you really truly think that anything you said above would stop someone who wants to kill people? Do you truly think that if they ban "assault rifles" they will stop there? Do you believe if they rounded up every "assault weapon" in the country killing would stop or would the killers just find a different weapon to use? Do you believe that once a killer used a different weapon to assault people then that would now be considered an "assault weapon" and consequently be banned?

Read what I wrote. I am not calling for a ban - but many are. I am offering a solution to make it more difficult to buy an AR. You cannot go to your LGS and buy a suppressor without a Class III license, but their use is growing exponentially. When is the last time one was used in a crime?

Why do you think mass shooters choose an AR? Why not a bolt action Savage Lapua? We all know why.

How about we start by treating semiautomatic rifles the same as pistols, i.e., you must be 21 to buy?

Inaction by the shooting community is going to result in solutions being dictated to us that are not going to be pleasant. One being tossed around frequently is making gun companies liable (our costs will go up). Another is to allow gun owners to be sued if their weapon is stolen and used in a crime. Background checks for the sale of all guns, even between private parties. The list can go on and on.

Frankly, making the age to buy an AR 21 would have stopped almost all mass shootings except LV.

 

[2buffalo]

Read what I wrote. I am not calling for a ban - but many are. I am offering a solution to make it more difficult to buy an AR. You cannot go to your LGS and buy a suppressor without a Class III license, but their use is growing exponentially. When is the last time one was used in a crime?

Why do you think mass shooters choose an AR? Why not a bolt action Savage Lapua? We all know why.

How about we start by treating semiautomatic rifles the same as pistols, i.e., you must be 21 to buy?

Inaction by the shooting community is going to result in solutions being dictated to us that are not going to be pleasant. One being tossed around frequently is making gun companies liable (our costs will go up). Another is to allow gun owners to be sued if their weapon is stolen and used in a crime. Background checks for the sale of all guns, even between private parties. The list can go on and on.

Frankly, making the age to buy an AR 21 would have stopped almost all mass shootings except LV.

I didn't quote you I asked questions which you didn't answer.

 

[jessej]

Actually, the National Firearms Act of 1934 was passed because they were being used in crimes. They along with sawed off shotguns were referred to as gangster weapons.

Those Winchester rifles were semi auto. I didn't realize the NFA had anything to do with those rifles.

 

[JimFromTN]

Those Winchester rifles were semi auto. I didn't realize the NFA had anything to do with those rifles.

The winchester automatic rifle is full auto. You are probably thinking about the Winchester Model 1907.

 

[jessej]

 

[LRNut]

I didn't quote you I asked questions which you didn't answer.

I answered your question. I am not calling for a ban. I am proposing we move the age to 21. If that doesn't work, make ARs Class III - the proliferation of Class III licenses for suppressors has shown if you want it bad enough, you will go through the process.

We don't let an 18 year old buy a beer but he can walk into a gun store and buy two ARs? That is what the public is having a hard time with. Raising the age is a lot more efficacious than trying to fix parental issues.

 

[jessej]

But this is outside of what muddyboots intentions were for this thread.
Sorry muddy.
I'm out

 

[2buffalo]

Read what I wrote. I am not calling for a ban - but many are. I am offering a solution to make it more difficult to buy an AR. You cannot go to your LGS and buy a suppressor without a Class III license, but their use is growing exponentially. When is the last time one was used in a crime?

Why do you think mass shooters choose an AR? Why not a bolt action Savage Lapua? We all know why.

How about we start by treating semiautomatic rifles the same as pistols, i.e., you must be 21 to buy?

Inaction by the shooting community is going to result in solutions being dictated to us that are not going to be pleasant. One being tossed around frequently is making gun companies liable (our costs will go up). Another is to allow gun owners to be sued if their weapon is stolen and used in a crime. Background checks for the sale of all guns, even between private parties. The list can go on and on.

Frankly, making the age to buy an AR 21 would have stopped almost all mass shootings except LV.

Sandy Hook 2012 killer was over 20 yrs old took rifle from mother. How would 21 year old age limit have stopped this? Do you believe a psychopath stops being a psychopath at age 21?

Columbine 1999 both killers acquired their guns before age 18 illegally. How would a 21 year old age limit stop this?

El Paso 2019- killer 21 years old. How would a 21 year old age limit stop this?

Sutherland Springs school shooting 2017- killer 26 years old. How would a 21 year old age limit stop this?

I am actually bored looking all of this up and don't want to get "red flagged" by the internet police for researching. You apparently couldn't answer the questions in my first post so how about these? My guess is you will not answer any questions because it doesn't fit your narrative.

 

[JimFromTN]

Sandy Hook 2012 killer was over 20 yrs old took rifle from mother. How would 21 year old age limit have stopped this? Do you believe a psychopath stops being a psychopath at age 21?

Columbine 1999 both killers acquired their guns before age 18 illegally. How would a 21 year old age limit stop this?

El Paso 2019- killer 21 years old. How would a 21 year old age limit stop this?

Sutherland Springs school shooting 2017- killer 26 years old. How would a 21 year old age limit stop this?

I am actually bored looking all of this up and don't want to get "red flagged" by the internet police for researching. You apparently couldn't answer the questions in my first post so how about these? My guess is you will not answer any questions because it doesn't fit your narrative.

Sounds like they fall into the class III category and Columbine did not use ar's. I think he addressed your questions. Perhaps you have an issue with comprehension.