Long range bullets at close range

[bigngreen]

I find an open tip type bullet will perform similar at close ranges as say mid range but slightly more aggressive in the middle of terminal performance but the initiation is very similar till you start getting to the lower end.
A tipped bullet I see a close range impact really being more violent at the start and I have to be much more careful about shot placement with the tipped bullets.
A good example would be a 140 Berger vld vs the 143 Eldx, a close hit I will still put the vld into a situation that will require some bone crushing and penetration, the Eldx I will 100% wait for a shot that is going through just ribs in a closer situation.
I have certain bullets for long range that I am really careful with up close or I have a Hammer bullet that's provides me that closer alternative, I will run a two bullet solution, other bullets I will just send them when I want to. You can use any bullet you just have to be very aware of it's real world function and adjust you shot accordingly.
I have not found a cross over bullet that is marketed as an all range bullet to work well, the Eldx and the LR Accubonds are good examples of bullet that appear they may cross over but in my experience really are just a mid range bullet with stretched marketing.

 

[GetReel]

@GetReel ..you did mention the option of a mono for close range which opened the can. I use both types myself. Had some disappointments. Learned some things.

I did mention the use of a mono but the way I read the responses were, "don't use that, use this instead". Maybe I read some responses out if context but that's how they read to me.

 

[Northkill]

Yep, it's just the way of life on the internet. Virtual relationships and communications exacerbate emotional and egotistical dynamics and inevitably result in mis-reading context or intent with things going bizarre really quick. I'm trying to get used to it. One thing that helps is to just assume they really want to help. "Hey bro. Here's what I learned..." "Here's what I do..." "Do it my way...be my student...and we'll be best buddies..." "I'll 'like' everything you post...for awhile."

 

[Ucsdryder]

I did mention the use of a mono but the way I read the responses were, "don't use that, use this instead". Maybe I read some responses out if context but that's how they read to me.

I read them the same way. Especially from those that "have been doing it since you were…".

 

[Northkill]

I find an open tip type bullet will perform similar at close ranges as say mid range but slightly more aggressive in the middle of terminal performance but the initiation is very similar till you start getting to the lower end.
A tipped bullet I see a close range impact really being more violent at the start and I have to be much more careful about shot placement with the tipped bullets.
A good example would be a 140 Berger vld vs the 143 Eldx, a close hit I will still put the vld into a situation that will require some bone crushing and penetration, the Eldx I will 100% wait for a shot that is going through just ribs in a closer situation.
I have certain bullets for long range that I am really careful with up close or I have a Hammer bullet that's provides me that closer alternative, I will run a two bullet solution, other bullets I will just send them when I want to. You can use any bullet you just have to be very aware of it's real world function and adjust you shot accordingly.
I have not found a cross over bullet that is marketed as an all range bullet to work well, the Eldx and the LR Accubonds are good examples of bullet that appear they may cross over but in my experience really are just a mid range bullet with stretched marketing.

^^^ x2 I haven't really gotten into carrying two loads for any of my rifles yet (I like to keep things simple), but I like the idea and support folks who can do it. I like the 180 Hybrids in the 7-LRM (stupid accurate) but they do make a mess at close range for sure and don't have the penetration for a TX heart shot if the (God forbid) need arises to take a parting crack at a wounded deer headed straight away. Some mono's I've used are capable of that even in smaller cartridges and with much lighter bullets. I would think your 156 EOL's would do well in your setup for most encounters near & far if you can reach the vitals within 12" of penetration. (now that's conjecture, not experience with that particular projo, but from experience with other variations)

 

[bigngreen]

^^^ x2 I haven't really gotten into carrying two loads for any of my rifles yet (I like to keep things simple), but I like the idea and support folks who can do it. I like the 180 Hybrids in the 7-LRM (stupid accurate) but they do make a mess at close range for sure and don't have the penetration for a TX heart shot if the (God forbid) need arises to take a parting crack at a wounded deer headed straight away. Some mono's I've used are capable of that even in smaller cartridges and with much lighter bullets. I would think your 156 EOL's would do well in your setup for most encounters near & far if you can reach the vitals within 12" of penetration. (now that's conjecture, not experience with that particular projo, but from experience with other variations)

I fought the two bullets concept hard but honestly it's really about as perfect a solution as you can have.
My 28 Nosler forced me to look at it, the 195 Berger is very aggressive up close to the point of cutting a deer in half BUT it's beautiful on an elk out beyond 1000 yards, I zero for the 177 Hammer and it's what is in the tube and mag all the time, if I have a shot outside it's ideal range I'll have time cause I'm dialing and I grab the 195 load, the software can handle the zero changes and it's nuts on so instead of compromising either end I just send the best for the shot.
In the 6.5 I just find the 140 vld to be solid all around I don't require any other bullet for myself, the 156 didn't blow my skirt up honestly, nothing bad just didn't blow my skirt up.
I've ran 180 hybrids from the front shoulder out the flank on elk from my 7 MAX, open tip cup and core bullets definitely require a more careful process because external force influence them more like bore roughness or fowling or someone running a bullet sized for a 7-08 in a 28 Nosler and wonder why it went splat.

 

[hseII]

Close range ,Nosler BT blow up , Speer Blow up Hornady Blow up ,ApexBlow up Rem core lock blow up , win witnessed this Sat , blow up , no experience with Bergers but from what I've heard , close range , blow up . All the others I've used Barnes and Hammers, Harmmers perform terminally the way I like a bullet to perform and are very accurate foul less and are easy to get a load work up . I haven't seen a Hammer bullet I can't load 100 to 300 fps faster than any other bullet in its weight class. I have and have loaded bullets for any thing from deer to Polar bear each to his own . Excluding Hammers the Nosler Accubond is my next choice bullet .

I really like Accubonds as they've never failed me in 270 Winchester.

I wish they were available in the 7mm & 30 cal offerings but these days,

1. it's hard to find them in stock,
&
2. They have gone up considerably in price, especially in comparison to Hornady ELDX and Bergers. We've 3 kills so far this year, 2 with a 7mm 150 grain ELDX & 1 with a 30 cal 125 Ballistic Tip.

No searching for either. All 3 were at or under 115 yards.

 

[chap]

On my 30 Nosler I use a Hammer hunter 196 for shots under 400, and switch to a Berger 215 if over that. Most longer shots allow the time to eject the mono and pull a 215 loaded cartridge off the sling. I've seen too many destroyed shoulders and wasted meat on elk to shoot a Berger at shorter ranges. Rangefinder is setup for the 215 drops and it works very similar for the lighter bullets at closer ranges. Best of both worlds in my experience.

 

[Northkill]

180 Hybrid at 30 yds out of a 7-LRM... (neck shot)

 

[GetReel]

the software can handle the zero changes and it's nuts on so instead of compromising either end I just send the best for the shot.

Curious how you adapt the software to run two bullets with different zeroes?
I use IStrelokPro app

 

[bomberodevil]

Define better, cleaner, and more humane.

Not taking any shot just because it's available, but waiting for the conditions that maximize the characteristics of the tools you're using. Whether that be a mono bullet, a bonded, a cup and core, velocity over 2800-2900 or under, aiming at large bones or heart-double lung. Use the right tool for the job, and if an opportunity arises that isn't the optimum for the tools I'm currently using, I'll pass or wait for a better situation to occur.

Everyone has the ability to manage their own hunt the way they choose. In my hunting career, both archery and rifle, I've passed up a lot of shots that I thought were marginal. Sometimes I later harvested, sometimes not. But, knock on wood, I haven't not recovered an animal yet.

 

[bigngreen]

Curious how you adapt the software to run two bullets with different zeroes?
I use IStrelokPro app

I run Applied Ballistics, I run my close/mid range bullet zeroed on the optic then I shoot my long range bullet with the same hold and optical zero and I enter the zero off set in for that bullet so the software dials me from that input. Really super simple and effective!!

 

[GetReel]

I run Applied Ballistics, I run my close/mid range bullet zeroed on the optic then I shoot my long range bullet with the same hold and optical zero and I enter the zero off set in for that bullet so the software dials me from that input. Really super simple and effective!!

I'll have to look into that. No quite grasping the ability to enter that on an app but I have no experience with AB app

 

[2buffalo]

Not taking any shot just because it's available, but waiting for the conditions that maximize the characteristics of the tools you're using. Whether that be a mono bullet, a bonded, a cup and core, velocity over 2800-2900 or under, aiming at large bones or heart-double lung. Use the right tool for the job, and if an opportunity arises that isn't the optimum for the tools I'm currently using, I'll pass or wait for a better situation to occur.

Everyone has the ability to manage their own hunt the way they choose. In my hunting career, both archery and rifle, I've passed up a lot of shots that I thought were marginal. Sometimes I later harvested, sometimes not. But, knock on wood, I haven't not recovered an animal yet.

I don't believe anyone was suggesting taking any shot available. Better, cleaner, and more humane can change based on personal experience. For example I have seen more animals dropped and never regain consciousness from quartering shots properly placed than broadside shots through heart and lung so to me that is a better, cleaner, and more humane shot within 600 yds. Another thing to consider is terrain. In certain geographical areas you can watch game until they pose in the position you want. Other areas not so much.