YZEATER
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do you want my paypal address to send me money so you can buy my tags and then i'll hunt your way?
You can't judge a Buck by it's rack. There I have said it. I am more of a meat hunter than a trophy hunter. Since doe are legal where I hunt I regularly take them for meat. It was Monday after a Saturday opening and my hunting partner Kathy had to work so I wandered out to my stand alone before sunrise. A little after dawn and legal shooting hours I had what appeared to be a large doe wander out of the woods and start feeding in a harvested corn field. I watched her through binoculars and determined that she was a keeper. She was alone, no smaller deer following. As mentioned earlier I am a meat hunter and it appeared to be a good sized doe that would add a lot of meat to my freezer. I ranged her at 128 yards and rested the Tikka .270 on a rock shooting in a semi prone supported position. The Tikka is sighted in for 200 yards so it was pretty much a dead hold shot. The deer turned sideways presenting a beautiful textbook shot. The Tikka roared and about 2/100th of a second later the Federal Premium 130 gr Nosler Partition did it's textbook thing and the doe dropped in place and never twitched. As I was approaching the doe I couldn't help but think that now that I had meat in the freezer I could see if I could find a good sized Buck. There were several running around on the property I hunt. When I got to the deer I was amazed to see small fork horns that were shorter than the ears that had hidden them. So much for hunting for one of the large bucks. I live in a heavy CWD area so after the deer was field dressed and hauled back into the barn to hang I called the local game warden and asked if she could stop by and take a look at the deer. She showed up, confirmed that it was otherwise a healthy deer not likely CWD, which testing proved her right. She aged the deer at 6 to 7 years old. This posed the question, "Did he always have a tiny rack or was it a product of old age? How did this deer get to live so long? That is anybody's guess and only the buck could answer that question and he was dead. It's longevity might be explained as looking like a doe all along and hunters passing him over looking for a large rack. The scary part was, "How many doe had he bred over his long life and how big were the racks of the male offspring? The area I hunt is in Southwest Wisconsin and there is no lacking of trophy sized bucks so the theory is that he was just at the end of his line and the rack was not developing properly anymore. The moral of the story here is that the Doe you shoot for meat may not be a doe after all. Time to cull bucks like that from the herd.We've got enough attacks coming in from the outside to be attacking people for shooting a game animal legally. It isn't that I disagree with you, it's that if you want to take a stand today, take it with the people who are surrounding us and sharpening their knives, not someone who is hunting legally, and killing an animal that is allowed based on the recommendations of the biologists in that area. People don't become hunters because of trophies, they become hunters because their dad let's them shoot some little scrub buck when they are 14, and it's a trophy to them. I'd hate to think some teenage kid, or adult onset hunter is reading this and feeling shame for killing a legal game animal.
Let this unnecessary guilt trip walk.
There's quite a few of you that will read this post and you'll just get mad and try to tell me how it is. Cool, you do that. I will hit "ignore" on every one of you without hesitation. If you want to disagree, you better do so in a manner befitting a Christian. Fact is, I have almost nothing in common with most "hunters" these days, and I'd rather be disliked by all of them than be "popular" among that crowd.
This post is for the rest of you. The guys that are trying to be good responsible sportsmen that know how to manage our resources.
My request is this: Learn how to score on the hoof. Stop shooting immature animals. If you want food and the joy of the hunt... do it with a doe. They taste better.
That is all.
I'm out scouting for pronghorn, as I usually do this time of year. Some areas of the country you see massive pronghorn regularly. Tags are hard to get in those areas. Permission to hunt, even harder to get. They grow big there, because most hunters are kept out.
That's not true of my area. Here, there isn't much for sizable pronghorn. Fewer and fewer sizable anything, actually.
It's a sad reality when in order to foster trophy animals, hunters must be kept away. Yet, despite how sad, that is very true of many hunters. We're suppose to care... not just look for instant gratification of a kill on our vacation from our life, wife, and job.
Took this guys picture 15 minutes ago... and I know the majority of hunters would blast him if given the opportunity. Sure, he's a "nice" goat. He's got decent cutters, decent length, decent mass, and there's even some ivory there.
Though he sure doesn't have much of a curl does he? I bet he's 3yrs old is all. Next year he'll be nice. Two years, he'll be a STUD! What do you think he scores?
Now compare what you see above, to a real trophy pronghorn. Here's a 90" goat from pronghornguideservice instagram page:
Now what do you think that first goat I posted scored?
I'm talking about pronghorn here, but the same applies to every species. Just let them walk. What is the big deal? Shoot a doe for as many years as you need to foster some proper management of the species. Teach this restraint to the younger generation. If you don't, then $10,000+ per hunt guides will be the only place any of us get to hunt a real trophy. You can very likely still do all the things that are important to you on your hunt without shooting an immature buck.
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FactThere is a "Buck Management" program in many areas. You cant keep the "Bucks" with not the good genetics keep breeding and getting the same results. Smaller Racks and or Body. Sometimes you need to "Thin Out" the herd and take out some blood lines so the Stronger Bigger Bucks can breed and the Does produce better Bloodlines. Can't let every Buck walk and expect them to get bigger every year. If the Buck doesn't have the Genetics Ain't Gona Happen no matter how long or years you let them grow.
Just an opinion.
I agree. Here in Southern CA the deer are small. I'm in favor of a moratorium for a few years so the deer can grow.What a waste of bandwidth.
Or the pickup truck or car doing 65 mph gets them that night or early morning. At least here in PA, MD,VA,ETC I see many a deer laying along the road. And quite a few nice bucks. In fact I hunt along a few roads,within legal limits. And do quite well where the deer walk under the bridge to avoid traffic. I would rather have the meat in my freezer to eat. Than see it laying along the road for varmints. Even though they need to eat also. And they get plenty. So passing on a 8 pt here is rare. They are usually the trophies in my area. Not many 13 pts have been taken here. My brother got one. And needless to say. It started a confrontation with another guy that missed him twice in 2 different archery seasons. I think he thought that deer was there just for him. I help butcher during deer season. And see a many trophies taken. They may not look like a trophy to me. But in the hunters eyes, it's a trophy.trying to get everyone to do the same thing.
If it was easy to to do , we could change a whole lot, but it's not happening .
Another aspect is if you pass up a smaller animal , the next guy might not , so it got harvested anyway , 1/4 away from you or the next day, etc...
A lot of people spend a lot of time and effort to hunt, so if it's legal , have fun .
with you bud! 100%There's quite a few of you that will read this post and you'll just get mad and try to tell me how it is. Cool, you do that. I will hit "ignore" on every one of you without hesitation. If you want to disagree, you better do so in a manner befitting a Christian. Fact is, I have almost nothing in common with most "hunters" these days, and I'd rather be disliked by all of them than be "popular" among that crowd.
This post is for the rest of you. The guys that are trying to be good responsible sportsmen that know how to manage our resources.
My request is this: Learn how to score on the hoof. Stop shooting immature animals. If you want food and the joy of the hunt... do it with a doe. They taste better.
That is all.
I'm out scouting for pronghorn, as I usually do this time of year. Some areas of the country you see massive pronghorn regularly. Tags are hard to get in those areas. Permission to hunt, even harder to get. They grow big there, because most hunters are kept out.
That's not true of my area. Here, there isn't much for sizable pronghorn. Fewer and fewer sizable anything, actually.
It's a sad reality when in order to foster trophy animals, hunters must be kept away. Yet, despite how sad, that is very true of many hunters. We're suppose to care... not just look for instant gratification of a kill on our vacation from our life, wife, and job.
Took this guys picture 15 minutes ago... and I know the majority of hunters would blast him if given the opportunity. Sure, he's a "nice" goat. He's got decent cutters, decent length, decent mass, and there's even some ivory there.
Though he sure doesn't have much of a curl does he? I bet he's 3yrs old is all. Next year he'll be nice. Two years, he'll be a STUD! What do you think he scores?
Now compare what you see above, to a real trophy pronghorn. Here's a 90" goat from pronghornguideservice instagram page:
Now what do you think that first goat I posted scored?
I'm talking about pronghorn here, but the same applies to every species. Just let them walk. What is the big deal? Shoot a doe for as many years as you need to foster some proper management of the species. Teach this restraint to the younger generation. If you don't, then $10,000+ per hunt guides will be the only place any of us get to hunt a real trophy. You can very likely still do all the things that are important to you on your hunt without shooting an immature buck.
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