Kill the wolf?

[marvee]

Looks like according to the CDA newspaper they need helicopters in Northern Idaho to hunt them.

They will never be killed off by hunting them controlled. I seriously doubt ever be controlled by man ever unless bring strychnine back and we all know that isn't going to happen.

 

[GunHawk]

Here we go again, every one of these wolf threads are exactly the same.

Yep! And, of course, we know how to manage wildlife better than God does, despite not knowing anything about tropic pyramids, replacement-level reproduction, or carrying capacity.

In fact, I think we should also start managing Killer Whales. 1. They eat a lot of salmon which are in decline and we "need" for food. 2. They prey on whales which are endangered. 3. They kill sharks which are also in decline and are cool. 4. They are often called "wolves of the sea". Let's hunt them.

 

[hseII]

I hear all sides of this. If you listen to the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, the wolves are the epitome of a threat to the whole ecosystem. Western sheep and cattle ranchers will pretty much back that up. We must maintain a balance in the population, or we stand a chance to have another animal go extinct. That cannot happen. I seriously doubt the wolves in the west, will get to the problems caused by feral hogs and coyotes in Texas.

When western ranchers are echoing what the RMEF are saying, I will assume their story is close to the truth.

The testimonials from those that are familiar with the once thriving Yellowstone Elk herds are align with those Ranchers & the RMEF.

It's strange to me how all the other animals were doing so good until wolves were re-entered but this is hard to see.

I intend to visit Yellowstone with my children: I hope we see elk when we are there.

 

[JWM]

First of all there was no reintroduction, wolves were here before they transplanted them to Yellowstone.

right, they introduced a non native invasive species, that killed off the few remaining wolves.

 

[chickm1]

This is the biggest joke I've heard in a long time.

You don't have a clue as to why F&W cannot get effective management practices in place. They are fighting every special interest group in the world, trying to get things working as they should. We don't need wolf packs to the point of killing family dogs, but the wolves do not need to be eradicated.

 

[marvee]

This from Forbes

33,715 views|May 6, 2016,12:29 pm
Why Wolves Are The Unsung Heroes Of Healthy Ecosystems
QuoraContributor
Consumer Tech

This article is more than 2 years old.

What should everyone know about wolves in the wild?

Answer by Oliver Starr, wolf handler and wilds advocate, on Quora:

Wolves are critical to healthy ecosystems – we need wolves more than wolves need us! Please watch this amazing video that helps put in perspective the role wolves play in restoring a damaging ecosystem back to health.

Unlike human trophy hunters, wolves take targets of opportunity – the young, the sick, the injured, the invisibly genetically inferior – in so doing they maintain the health of their prey species. Human hunters kill the fittest animals because they can – wolves improve the strength of their prey, humans consistently diminish it.

Wolves are considered both an apex predator and a keystone species. This means they are at the top of the food chain with no natural other animals that prey upon them for food.

Their reputation as dangerous animals or creatures that kill for enjoyment is simply inaccurate. As predators, wolves consume the flesh of other creatures. Unlike humans, their biology dictates a diet that consists almost entirely of meat. Wolves are the largest of all wild canids and they typically require large prey or a very high density of smaller prey to maintain their presence in an area.

Wolves have been known to eat moose, elk, deer, caribou, bison, musk ox, and virtually every other ungulate species that shares their range. Wolves will also eat smaller animals such as beavers, rabbits, squirrels, mice and, unfortunately, sometimes domestic livestock and pets.

Some people claim that wolves "decimate" they populations of the species they prey upon; however the facts do not bear this out. In the United States we've been documenting wolf recovery in the Northern Rockies for 25 years. We've also been documenting ungulate populations, particularly elk, for even longer.

While it is true that there are a few management units across the whole of the wolf recovery area that do show some reductions in elk numbers, by and large the presence of wolves has resulted in increases in elk populations nearly everywhere they've returned.

Wolves form very close social bonds. Wolf "packs" are actually families that typically consist of one or more breeding pairs, siblings of the breeders, and the offspring from one or more previous litters.

Lone wolves –perhaps the worst of all the mischaracterizations and vilifications heaped upon wolves is the idea that "lone wolves" are particularly killers or out to cause harm.

Nothing could be further from the truth! Lone wolves are technically known as dispersers and they're not looking for trouble, they're looking for love!

Not all wolves have the makeup to leave their natal group and set off on their own. It's a tremendously risky undertaking that very often results in the dispersing wolf dying in his or her effort to find a mate and start a family of their own.

Total ********. More college education

 

[JWM]

right, they introduced a non native invasive species, that killed off the few remaining wolves.

few remaining native wolves, that is

 

[sp6x6]

Ten years ago id fill my tags archery some years,deer,elk ,bear,antelope,lion,all the over counter.Fast forward to this year,ate them all,hunted NWMT.In rifle never saw a bull or a muley buck,look at my avatar, thats what I use to shoot.Did a 11 mile mountain hunt hunt,saw one deer track,one cow moose and no elk tracks.Killed 1/2 my forty +elk in this general area.Same spot took a large 6x6 out after looking at 7 bulls that day.Mt's F&G wolf specialist just retired this year,she did her colledge thesis on the wolf and studied them her whole life,pet project you could say.Really sad whats happened,I have to find a new place to hunt.Last I saw you Steve ,think was the last wolf meeting?Well looks like fresh snow,ill go try some wolf hunting this week

 

[chickm1]

When western ranchers are echoing what the RMEF are saying, I will assume their story is close to the truth.

Ranchers are only interested in their herd numbers, just like RMEF is only interested in elk numbers.

 

[wolfmaan]

Once again...if you don't live in it you will not know....
Let's just say.....maybe some of the loss of elk numbers are just displacement...meaning the elk migrate out to never return...one explanation...
Another....elk are not breeding as readily because they are being harassed constantly..by man and wolves...elk numbers have fallen...areas that once held none are now abundant....
Ranchers begging the f&g to do something about all the elk in their crop lands..but still not allowing peolle to shoot to remove some...but even so...the elk know if they go back up in the mountains the wolves will be right on them again.......the elk aren't stupid.......but there are a lot of stupid people.........

People are not stupid they just don't use common sense and some will believe anything they are told or read the reason the wolfs was introduced in the first place by the anti hunters was to take away hunting if there is nothing to hunt then why would hunters need guns or that matter anyone because they believe all we need is the police force for protection. something else to consider is who keep down sizing our Military and who keep wanting to take our guns think about what i am saying.

 

[300 magnum]

Iv Grew up in the far north California where Thay are now saying wolfs are now there. I spent all my time out on public land And private land as we know all the land owners. We have all ways seen them treat them as big coyote. Now that there officially. There population has exploded. With killing more live stock and game. Iv seen the game disappear in just over 2 year. Now that Iv moves out ant to Montana Thay have tags for cheep. And there wolfs are out of control all so and there game is down. If you look at the how Many where talken this past year. Wich points to predation. It all so provides you can't mange the game herds with out manging the predators.

 

[JWM]

This from Forbes

33,715 views|May 6, 2016,12:29 pm
Why Wolves Are The Unsung Heroes Of Healthy Ecosystems
QuoraContributor
Consumer Tech

This article is more than 2 years old.

What should everyone know about wolves in the wild?

Answer by Oliver Starr, wolf handler and wilds advocate, on Quora:

Wolves are critical to healthy ecosystems – we need wolves more than wolves need us! Please watch this amazing video that helps put in perspective the role wolves play in restoring a damaging ecosystem back to health.

Unlike human trophy hunters, wolves take targets of opportunity – the young, the sick, the injured, the invisibly genetically inferior – in so doing they maintain the health of their prey species. Human hunters kill the fittest animals because they can – wolves improve the strength of their prey, humans consistently diminish it.

Wolves are considered both an apex predator and a keystone species. This means they are at the top of the food chain with no natural other animals that prey upon them for food.

Their reputation as dangerous animals or creatures that kill for enjoyment is simply inaccurate. As predators, wolves consume the flesh of other creatures. Unlike humans, their biology dictates a diet that consists almost entirely of meat. Wolves are the largest of all wild canids and they typically require large prey or a very high density of smaller prey to maintain their presence in an area.

Wolves have been known to eat moose, elk, deer, caribou, bison, musk ox, and virtually every other ungulate species that shares their range. Wolves will also eat smaller animals such as beavers, rabbits, squirrels, mice and, unfortunately, sometimes domestic livestock and pets.

Some people claim that wolves "decimate" they populations of the species they prey upon; however the facts do not bear this out. In the United States we've been documenting wolf recovery in the Northern Rockies for 25 years. We've also been documenting ungulate populations, particularly elk, for even longer.

While it is true that there are a few management units across the whole of the wolf recovery area that do show some reductions in elk numbers, by and large the presence of wolves has resulted in increases in elk populations nearly everywhere they've returned.

Wolves form very close social bonds. Wolf "packs" are actually families that typically consist of one or more breeding pairs, siblings of the breeders, and the offspring from one or more previous litters.

Lone wolves –perhaps the worst of all the mischaracterizations and vilifications heaped upon wolves is the idea that "lone wolves" are particularly killers or out to cause harm.

Nothing could be further from the truth! Lone wolves are technically known as dispersers and they're not looking for trouble, they're looking for love!

Not all wolves have the makeup to leave their natal group and set off on their own. It's a tremendously risky undertaking that very often results in the dispersing wolf dying in his or her effort to find a mate and start a family of their own.

 

[JWM]

This from Forbes

33,715 views|May 6, 2016,12:29 pm
Why Wolves Are The Unsung Heroes Of Healthy Ecosystems
QuoraContributor
Consumer Tech

This article is more than 2 years old.

What should everyone know about wolves in the wild?

Answer by Oliver Starr, wolf handler and wilds advocate, on Quora:

Wolves are critical to healthy ecosystems – we need wolves more than wolves need us! Please watch this amazing video that helps put in perspective the role wolves play in restoring a damaging ecosystem back to health.

Unlike human trophy hunters, wolves take targets of opportunity – the young, the sick, the injured, the invisibly genetically inferior – in so doing they maintain the health of their prey species. Human hunters kill the fittest animals because they can – wolves improve the strength of their prey, humans consistently diminish it.

Wolves are considered both an apex predator and a keystone species. This means they are at the top of the food chain with no natural other animals that prey upon them for food.

Their reputation as dangerous animals or creatures that kill for enjoyment is simply inaccurate. As predators, wolves consume the flesh of other creatures. Unlike humans, their biology dictates a diet that consists almost entirely of meat. Wolves are the largest of all wild canids and they typically require large prey or a very high density of smaller prey to maintain their presence in an area.

Wolves have been known to eat moose, elk, deer, caribou, bison, musk ox, and virtually every other ungulate species that shares their range. Wolves will also eat smaller animals such as beavers, rabbits, squirrels, mice and, unfortunately, sometimes domestic livestock and pets.

Some people claim that wolves "decimate" they populations of the species they prey upon; however the facts do not bear this out. In the United States we've been documenting wolf recovery in the Northern Rockies for 25 years. We've also been documenting ungulate populations, particularly elk, for even longer.

While it is true that there are a few management units across the whole of the wolf recovery area that do show some reductions in elk numbers, by and large the presence of wolves has resulted in increases in elk populations nearly everywhere they've returned.

Wolves form very close social bonds. Wolf "packs" are actually families that typically consist of one or more breeding pairs, siblings of the breeders, and the offspring from one or more previous litters.

Lone wolves –perhaps the worst of all the mischaracterizations and vilifications heaped upon wolves is the idea that "lone wolves" are particularly killers or out to cause harm.

Nothing could be further from the truth! Lone wolves are technically known as dispersers and they're not looking for trouble, they're looking for love!

Not all wolves have the makeup to leave their natal group and set off on their own. It's a tremendously risky undertaking that very often results in the dispersing wolf dying in his or her effort to find a mate and start a family of their own.

 

[Deleted member 102985]

Well I guess if the Texas people on here who know so much about Montana and Idaho's wolf issues we should live trap all of ours and send them to Texas where they can eat their cattle, whitetails, exotics, and possibly cure their ferrel hog issue. Then they might have some facts behind the foolish things they post!