Kill the wolf?

[Mt rummy]

When was the last time man really managed or solved anything? There is no way we can control or manage wildlife successfully. Our problem is simple ourselves. Nature will & can take care of herself if we just stay out of her way. It's tough all the way around & I'm sorry for all involved.

 

[milo-2]

Over-population of any breed will cause problems.

Wow, over population of an Apex predator, thoughts on this? They have no enemy.

 

[Joe Hooker]

Merry Christmas everyone.

 

[skipglo]

"We're from the government and we're here to help".

Pretty lame response.

You forgot......."You can trust us"

 

[ofbandg]

If people want to threaten and insult each other they should do it by personal message and not on the open forum - unless you need an audience.

 

[Mt rummy]

When was the last time man really managed or solved anything? There is no way we can control or manage wildlife successfully. Our problem is simple ourselves. Nature will & can take care of herself if we just stay out of her way. It's tough all the way around & I'm sorry for all involved.

With defference, predators can be managed or eradicated. The wolf disappeared from much area when the tools were a string, traps and later poison. I have clients in there eighties that tell me that when they grew up they never had coyote issues. I now take up to a dozen coyotes per section! This is a sheep man.

In this one case, he tells me his grangrand father had his accounting books showing over a hundred thousand dollars payed to " wolfers" to protect nine bands of sheep that spent their summers on the Canadian border and wintered in central MT. We are talking around 1900. The "wolfer" was a respected trade back then. Journals speaking of one wolf estimating livestock damage of near 30 thousand dollars in its life time is written.

However, by will of the people who made there living on the land the wolf disappeared. As said, the Dakota's were infested as well. Times changes and people sat on their pockets while others used our courts. The same issue is now appearing with the grizzly. We can learn and take a stand. If not, you know what the future will hold.

 

[MELEX]

I have not read through this post in its entirety, and what I am about to write may have already been stated. It seems to me that we become the balancing factor as apex predators when we move into an area. With that premise it is our duty to remove the other affecting predators to sustain the balance. With all our foibles we may not get it perfect, but as a hunter and resident in North Idaho I can personally attest that the system was working much better before the wolves came. I have strong feelings that if you do not live in an area you should have no say/bearing on what goes on there. Think about it...would you like me to change your environment just because I think it would be better.

 

[merasmus]

In Alberta wolves have been open season for years and we still have too many. Some Counties pay a bounty for shooting them. We feel bad that they borrowed our problem and started it in Idaho and Montana We just wish they would open a Grizzly season so we wouldn't have so many out here on the prairie and in populated areas.

 

[Stiletto150]

Just think about this. If we could shoot anything we could and did, we would not be close to what the wolves do. Wolves spend their entire life just looking for the next meal and making wolf babies. We did some heavy damage years ago(on the wolves) so we could flourish deer, elk, sheep, bison and cattle. Then we limited ourselves by putting in hunting regulations. We along with nature controlled the herds of animals, everyone loves. What we need to do is document wolf kills and cattle kills and then portray them to the anti's including f&g commissions. Emotions are the only thing that will change anti's minds. They don't listen to logic, it's not hard-wired like us hunters. Think about it and the many conversations with anti-hunters who just don't get it, until they physically see the damage of the precious elk they want to see as well. We managed with science for many years. However, science that they focus on has been skewed nowadays.

 

[halfmile]

+1 on the 3S solution. People don't understand, Man has replaced the wolf as the top predator on the food chain. There is not room for both.
If you saw what happens to a deer yard in deep winter with wolves around you might be appalled. The **** things kill for fun, not just for food.
They like to kill Rover, if they get near him too.

HM

 

[koathmann]

most government Game biologist are about half sierra club hippie. With their oh predators prefer rabbits to goat kids because that is their natural food and our studies show they eat very few deer fawns. The studies find the results that they want to find and that will keep more studies going in the future To expect fish&wildlife to control predators or do the right thing is a joke.

 

[Joe Hooker]

Wolves do not kill for fun/sport, they kill to survive. I've come upon 2 wolf kills, that weren't eaten, they were scared off from their kill by us or another predator.

 

[Fishdeeper]

Wolf numbers here in BC have grown out of control.
Forestry industry hasnt helped because all the road clearing and cut blocks, and wildfire of beetle pine have made it harder for moose, elk and Caribou to hide in timber, and easier for wolves to run them down. Currently we have a govt cull going on up north to save the caribou. And it is working. Caribou numbers are coming back. Catch one wolf, collar it, track it to the pack, fly over them with a chopper and some expert marksmen, and take out all but the collared wolf. Let him run to the next pack, repeat the program.
Our provincial govt is mostly left/socialist/green/ anti, but the biologists have it right. Just wish they would smarten up and re-open the griz hunt.
As for hunters here, we have No Bag Limits on yotes and wolves in many areas, but its not an effective means of control. Hunters rarely see a wolf, they are very cagey.

 

[kamml53]

This isn't about species balance. This is about our right to hunt elk and other animals. When they eliminate hunting, when they take away that right from us, the wolves will take care of the balance of the elk, no doubt. As soon as they get legislative control they will take away our rights, just ask the folks in VA.