Introducing the Absolute Hammer

[Nomosendero]

Good, would love to see the results if there's a link!
Thanks for the heads up!

 

[HRM Johnny]

By whom? When and where? What were the results? Any like that you could shed on this would be very welcome. Thanks.

 

[Wedgy]

When I spoke with HH they said, anecdotally, that they'd found faster twist had better terminal results on game animals. It'd be tough to test that scientifically on game animals.

The have actually done some testing on carcasses although it's hard to be "scientific" because you really never know what you are going to hit as far as bone goes. The one definite was they could not get reliable, repeatable performance with a smaller diameter opening in the hollow point and they sacrificed some BC in the name of performance. Same thing with plastic and aluminum tips, they were hit or miss and not reliable.

 

[HRM Johnny]

Thanks Wedgy

 

[budlight]

It would be an interesting test in ballistics gel for someone who has a slow and a fast twist .22-250. Going from 14 to 8 should really show if there is any difference.

from my testing with 22.250. light grain bullets like 52 hollow points out of a 26 inch barrel would fly apart before a target with a 9 twist. You can get rpm calculations and at some point you over rpm certain bullet construction. Some bullets even come with max velocity.

I'm a varmint person. At a young age i saw critters vaporized with frangible bullets like 87 v-max out of 25-06 or 100 grain out of .270 when you exceed 3600 fps. the only way to explain it is super high RPM causing it to fly apart without any penetration

 

[tribb]

That test is underway now

Good would like to see t results keep us posted please

 

[HARPERC]

When I spoke with HH they said, anecdotally, that they'd found faster twist had better terminal results on game animals. It'd be tough to test that scientifically on game animals.

Yes it is. Isolating for any one of the factors is tough.

Especially on game as modern bullets can be tough to recover. It's only on the big stuff we have enough linear track to see length of track, and/or if the bullet tumbled.

Much of what is being tested is on large asiatic buffalo. They're not my results, and I'll wait and see what the first hand folks post. Another round of testing hopefully happening soon.

I've been a believer twist is important for many years, so I have a bias going in. At that though there have been many things that I've had to completely rethink.

I will say ButterBeans beliefs regarding the .308, 124 grain Hammer Hunter, at 4000+ fps didn't occur in a vacuum.

We make trade offs (or should) to meet out personal needs. Hammer's kind of got developed here with an eye towards LRH.

Their determination to leave nothing on the table in terms of terminal performance has caused some rethinking, and additions to the line. Also they found a lot of folks don't need 1000 yard hunting bullets. I don't.

I'm not done transforming from a large bore heavy for caliber shooter, but I've completely rethought my needs in terms of cartridge combo's.

I've not shot a single AH, and this thread has drifted a bit. I will say it's fun watching a manufacturer step up with tooling to readjust where material goes, with just minimal evidence to support such an investment.

 

[CMP70306]

from my testing with 22.250. light grain bullets like 52 hollow points out of a 26 inch barrel would fly apart before a target with a 9 twist. You can get rpm calculations and at some point you over rpm certain bullet construction. Some bullets even come with max velocity.

I'm a varmint person. At a young age i saw critters vaporized with frangible bullets like 87 v-max out of 25-06 or 100 grain out of .270 when you exceed 3600 fps. the only way to explain it is super high RPM causing it to fly apart without any penetration

I was referring specifically to the Hammers as they should have no trouble surviving rpms that would shred a standard lead core Bullet.

 

[ButterBean]

The have actually done some testing on carcasses although it's hard to be "scientific" because you really never know what you are going to hit as far as bone goes. The one definite was they could not get reliable, repeatable performance with a smaller diameter opening in the hollow point and they sacrificed some BC in the name of performance. Same thing with plastic and aluminum tips, they were hit or miss and not reliable.

No carcasses were tested, we have shot a bunch of cull animals on the hoof and just had a huge hunt in Australia with over 100 animals taken

 

[Mike Matteson]

Have the tests been shown? I do know that driving some bullets at higher velocity, some bullets come undone at impact. Over the years I have looked at what damage was done to animals. I would check and see what they were using. Most were very proud of what bullet did. I would tell them great shooting, but would tell myself don't get those bullets and use them hunting. Those animals were blood shot from one end to the other with only one wound channel in the animal. Some had more shoots in them, and it was worst.
I base my loads that I use on Accurate, Velocity, and bullet performs on impact of an animal. Third point can take awhile sometime.
I generally use: 220 Swift, 25/06,308NM, and 338 WM. for hunting. My 5 cousins used 270 for deer hunting. In times of hunting with them, I probable seen 150 deer brought down by them. They all shot 130gr Sierra SPBT @ about 3000fps. Those bullets and rifles did one of h*ll of a great job.
Looking forward to see what info coming out or out.

 

[ButterBean]

Have the tests been shown? I do know that driving some bullets at higher velocity, some bullets come undone at impact. Over the years I have looked at what damage was done to animals. I would check and see what they were using. Most were very proud of what bullet did. I would tell them great shooting, but would tell myself don't get those bullets and use them hunting. Those animals were blood shot from one end to the other with only one wound channel in the animal. Some had more shoots in them, and it was worst.
I base my loads that I use on Accurate, Velocity, and bullet performs on impact of an animal. Third point can take awhile sometime.
I generally use: 220 Swift, 25/06,308NM, and 338 WM. for hunting. My 5 cousins used 270 for deer hunting. In times of hunting with them, I probable seen 150 deer brought down by them. They all shot 130gr Sierra SPBT @ about 3000fps. Those bullets and rifles did one of h*ll of a great job.
Looking forward to see what info coming out or out.

The Hammers do not blood shot meat, they do the same thing every time regardless of where or what they hit

 

[ButterBean]

 

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[ButterBean]