I guess we will have to agree to disagree. I think the commercial and military loadings for the 308 Win with cheap lead core bullets cause the cartridge to have a mediocre reputation. I too have hunted world wide including Africa, Canada, Alaska and the US with all kinds of lead core and Barnes bullets in various calibers including 6mm, 308 magnums, and 338 magnums, and have come to realize that the 308 Win is as universal a hunting cartridge as there is. I put a lot of effort to get within 500 yds of the target, use bullets that have superb weight retention AND extreme penetration at quartering angles of impact. I would not hesitate to shoot Moose or Elk with that cartridge using the right bullet, because it is the bullet doing the work. The cartridge simply imparts the velocity, and with the right components and barrel length, generally 20-24", it is not difficult to achieve 3000+ ft-lbs of bullet energy. Once the bullet leaves the barrel it is how well it retains it's energy, how reliably it expands, how deeply it penetrates, and whether it hits and destroys vital organs,