Idaho wolf down

[mullmann03]

This October was the first time I visited and hunted Idaho. It was a very nice place and had some great scenery. We hunted five days, hiked over 40 miles and saw four bull elk together on day four. Other than the four elk we saw, we found five sets of elk tracks and they were all elk traveling solo. On day four we hiked in 4.5 miles and once we were 1.5-2 miles in we didn't go more than two hundred yards without being surrounded by wolf tracks. The two sets of elk tracks we saw had wolf tracks right over them.

I was not expecting to see a lot of elk because I had heard Idaho has a lot of wolves and can be tough to hunt, but I have never hiked 40 miles anywhere in my life and only observed five big game animals (also got to see a moose within 20 yards). We talked with close to 20 other hunters and in the first five days of rifle season one guy harvested an elk, two others saw one elk each and another hunter heard elk. The guys we camped near have been hunting the area for a very long time and they said the amount of elk is the lowest they have ever seen.

Overall I had a blast and the scenery was worth all the hiking. The consensus between the group I hunted with was we would come back to Idaho but it probably wont be our first choice.

 

[Kennibear]

The problem with most Eco - Freaks is they never see a problem become resolved. If the snail darter is determined to be threatened then it remains threatened for time eternal. Wolves seem less populous than they would like? How would they know? They don't live in Idaho. No problem! They have "experts" do a study (probably while relaxing in the Baumgartner Hot Springs) and presto! Gray Wolves in Idaho!

Here's the kicker: Wolves have been so successful they have overpopulated. To the point that wolves have achieved a population that is both huntable and sustainable with hunting pressure. To anyone else that would define success. But the greenies can never accept that concept. If the wolves start killing joggers on the Boise Greenbelt they will claim, "the wolves were here first".

We hunters cannot be allowed to win... Period!

 

[Dskiper]

hello again, since we all love hunting we must realize that a faction here in America and the world that if their is no game then the hunting will stop and so will most interest in guns.:Activists" create these situations for there own interests not for the majority. We've seen populatios of wildlife dindle because of this .I live in the east and now see less game in P.A,N.Y and especically Maine then ever before. But now we have less hunters than 20yrs. ago.Predators are at a severe increase.More human contact is occurring as I see major change in N.J game laws to increase interest I coyote hunting. I'd have been fortunate to hunt Wyoming,Montana and western and easter Canada on occasion.Last I heard their is allways excess licences for sale because non-residents aren't bying anymore which hurts those outfitters who live there. I saw in Wyoming a few years back Govt. coyote hunters dogs housed at the guides home I hunted with.This was sheep country so I could see the extra interst provide by uncle sam to protect the meat. So I guess its tough to hunt out in the west with something workin aginst you like wolves plus coyotes,cats and bears. The love for that part of our country is my dream and hate to see go to waste before I see it again!Rid THE WOLF!!

 

[Iclimb]

Might I ask where in 24 I'm trying to pattern a couple of these packs that run between 24,22,&23. We can trap pvt land in 22 which should help. I think the gov't trapper has been working over-time, not seeing the sign as in the past few years ( they know they have a problem). Thanks for some info

 

[bearcat2]

Might I ask where in 24 I'm trying to pattern a couple of these packs that run between 24,22,&23. We can trap pvt land in 22 which should help. I think the gov't trapper has been working over-time, not seeing the sign as in the past few years ( they know they have a problem). Thanks for some info

Good luck, I can't help you as I live in Northern Idaho, but hope you catch some. I've trapped a couple in the past, but haven't had time to set any traps for them this winter.

The only reply to Izzy I am going to bother with is to say that yes I sold the wolf hides I got to be used (well except one that was too mangy) but I really don't care if the fur is used or not. I hunt hounds and I would much rather the wolves ate you than my dogs, because my dogs are worth a lot more to me than any human. The only good wolf is a dead wolf.

 

[one crazy kid]

Kill the Wolves, coyotes, bears, cats, deer and elk! Lets just weed out the competition first. In my humble opinion I like to hunt all animals(killing is part of hunting but not all of it) but when one animal group threatens other animal groups I'm for the killing of em(elk don't eat deer at least as far as I know). I tan my own hides I am all for using as much of an animal as you can. Harrper. C. I do wish the wdf&w would open a spring bear season in eastern wa.

 

[MR.SWIFT]

going to wy elk hunting later this month wolves are shoot on sight, i plan on protecting my hunting heritage. will post pics of wolf kill if successful.

 

[mildot1960]

It done matter what the excuse is, As hunters We Will always justify why we kill things, One minate its coz of the sheep then its coz the cattle,

The BS in these pages are a long way from the truth, I admit I hunt because I like it. weather its right or wrong Is for the Man upstairs to decide and no Pretty excuse will make it anymore right or wrong.
We complain when our hunting fees are used to cover the cost of the cattle and sheep that get killed but if there were no wolves then that would be one less thing left to hunt,,,,

The one thing no one has mentioned is that the wolfs Hide is worth up to $600 and then some, But the fact is most hunters have never had the chance to hunt wolves because they were wipped out years ago, So its only natural that we want to hunt this new species thats back on the menu, Stories of how they are not native to the US is nothing but BS because they have been wondering from Canada into the US for over 25,000 years and they dont know that there has been a Border between the Two Countries for only 400+ years,

I'm no Tree Hugger But I see the Value in every Animal I shoot and Like all hunters during the Stalk I think about trying to out smart it and how Im gonna get that animal in the freezer, But Im not going to Lie about it or base my reasons on hear say or by jumping on the band wagon.

john

 

[Elkriver]

So I went to idaho to hunt elk ...I got one... Awesome country but yea wolfs gotta go seen one 140 -/+ on a 4 wheeler ... Never got to see one but heard them just about every day .. Seen a cool sticker smoke a pack a day with wolfs running with cross hairs on lead wolf .. Post more wolf kills only have 30-50lb. Coyotes in ny

 

[Iclimb]

Elk hunting isn't what it used to be. It's a far cry from it. If so many Canadian wolves were running south of the border, where have they been the last 80 years? They wouldn't have needed our help to reproduce had that been the fact! No doubt they don't know there is a border but the scientific fact is, the native species was not the "Canadian wolf"!! One good thing is they're getting taken care of in the areas that care!gun)

 

[HARPERC]

Stories of how they are not native to the US is nothing but BS because they have been wondering from Canada into the US for over 25,000 years and they dont know that there has been a Border between the Two Countries for only 400+ years,

john

Let's see if I got this correct; They've been wandering in from Canada for 25,000 years, but forgot how, and needed to hitch a multi-million dollar ride from the USFWS.

Whose BS'ing who?

 

[lightflight]

Thank you for your service. gun) wolf down.

 

[mildot1960]

" QUOTE " Let's see if I got this correct; They've been wandering in from Canada for 25,000 years, but forgot how, and needed to hitch a multi-million dollar ride from the USFWS.

Whose BS'ing who?

OK you wanna be a smart *** about this Lets go for it,

!) It would not have cost anything if WE as Hunters had not wiped them all out in the first place.

2) The USFWS have put in alot of money to bring back these Animals and that Money has come from Hunters and the likes fees.

3) It was Hunters and Trappers who wiped out these Animals because of the Money they could make Hunting and Traping.

4) So it is only right that the Money should come from the Source that caused the Problem in the First Place.

5) What WE as Hunters have to do is Stop being So Defensive about things and try being a bit More Honest about the Facts, Answer me this,,, IF I go and kill some one ( By What ever means ) Should YOU be the one who has to pay the Cost ( IE Go to Jail or Worse ) Answer NO and by Hunting WE become part of the Herritage Past and Pressent and how WE conduct our selves has a Huge effect on how History and people see us as Hunters along the Restrictions that are Placed upon us,

So going back to the Millions of Dollars that have been invested, The Hunters of the 1900s +/- a few years all but wipped out alot of the great herds and by the 1930s the last wolf was all but Gone Untill 1995 when they were re introduced. On here and many other places we read about how the Elk and Moose etc are nearly all gone and the Blaim is being put on the Wolf and yes they do kill alot of them, But back 200 years ago the the Great Herds could be seen for miles but now you need a scope or a Helicopter to see them. You cant blaim the Wolves for that because they were not around for over 55 years+ Now the Elk and Moose etc along with the Wolves managed to Survive for over 25000 years so much so they became the Great Herds. Now if the Wolves could not wipe them out in the past 25000 years then you need to see the bigger picture and that Blaim belongs to us, And as a Hunter I am part of the cause.

Now the Wolf would not have to hitch a ride at all if there was not a Bounty put on their heads in the first place and that Bounty was collected by those Hunters of the Past, So we as Hunters have to Pick up the Tab for our Past and that is done through the USFWS.

The facts are engraved in Stone.

John

 

[Iclimb]

" QUOTE " Let's see if I got this correct; They've been wandering in from Canada for 25,000 years, but forgot how, and needed to hitch a multi-million dollar ride from the USFWS.

Whose BS'ing who?

OK you wanna be a smart *** about this Lets go for it,

!) It would not have cost anything if WE as Hunters had not wiped them all out in the first place.

2) The USFWS have put in alot of money to bring back these Animals and that Money has come from Hunters and the likes fees.

3) It was Hunters and Trappers who wiped out these Animals because of the Money they could make Hunting and Traping.

4) So it is only right that the Money should come from the Source that caused the Problem in the First Place.

5) What WE as Hunters have to do is Stop being So Defensive about things and try being a bit More Honest about the Facts, Answer me this,,, IF I go and kill some one ( By What ever means ) Should YOU be the one who has to pay the Cost ( IE Go to Jail or Worse ) Answer NO and by Hunting WE become part of the Herritage Past and Pressent and how WE conduct our selves has a Huge effect on how History and people see us as Hunters along the Restrictions that are Placed upon us,

So going back to the Millions of Dollars that have been invested, The Hunters of the 1900s +/- a few years all but wipped out alot of the great herds and by the 1930s the last wolf was all but Gone Untill 1995 when they were re introduced. On here and many other places we read about how the Elk and Moose etc are nearly all gone and the Blaim is being put on the Wolf and yes they do kill alot of them, But back 200 years ago the the Great Herds could be seen for miles but now you need a scope or a Helicopter to see them. You cant blaim the Wolves for that because they were not around for over 55 years+ Now the Elk and Moose etc along with the Wolves managed to Survive for over 25000 years so much so they became the Great Herds. Now if the Wolves could not wipe them out in the past 25000 years then you need to see the bigger picture and that Blaim belongs to us, And as a Hunter I am part of the cause.

Now the Wolf would not have to hitch a ride at all if there was not a Bounty put on their heads in the first place and that Bounty was collected by those Hunters of the Past, So we as Hunters have to Pick up the Tab for our Past and that is done through the USFWS.

The facts are engraved in Stone.

John

it wasn't the hunters and trappers that wiped them out it was farmers, ranchers, and progress. Just like the great herds you speak of, as people move in something has to get thinned out, it's just the way it works. We have to prioritize what's to go.

Now the wolf was not wiped out, we still had them naturally. They were down in numbers and on the priority list! We need food animals, plain and simple! There were plenty of wolves in Canada and Alaska, not to mention some other states. If the reintroduction of Canadian wolves has done anything for the wolves that were here, the natural one's; is wiped them off the face of the earth. Reintroducing a non-native species into a ecosystem with native species promotes crossbreeding and deletion of the bloodline. Man had taken the place of top predator and can take the place of game over population. Allowing revenue and food to be pumped into the local economy.

If you think "shoot on site" tactics are what kept the Canadian wolf from migrating south you're nuckin' futz. You don't live here, you don't see what goes on! They''ve decimated our game population and that's putting it nicely. Our local F&G hasn't helped matters any either! Revenues from sportsmen dollars funded such a criminal act, partially true, it was under protest. like buying a sandwich knowing that part of the proceeds go to pay a man to slap you in the face. You're still going to buy the sandwich because you're hungry. Fish & game lobby for wolves to be reintroduced because they saw nothing but revenue for tags. These are facts from someone who lives here. Not someone looking in!