I will not be getting 'the vaccine'...

[Another Casual]

I apologize but I disagree

You disagree that there are ways we can beat this, that the decisions we each make matter? If everyone was forced to stay home for a month as they did in Italy the numbers would improve. Nobody wants to do that, but the article posted above is proof that it works and that it can be beaten.

This isn't magic or even anything new. This virus is more contagious than others, but the practices we have used in the past work here too. If you think this is unavoidable, then for you it will be.

 

[ButterBean]

You disagree that there are ways we can beat this, that the decisions we each make matter? If everyone was forced to stay home for a month as they did in Italy the numbers would improve. Nobody wants to do that, but the article posted above is proof that it works and that it can be beaten.

This isn't magic or even anything new. This virus is more contagious than others, but the practices we have used in the past work here too. If you think this is unavoidable, then for you it will be.

I just look at it different than you,

 

[Another Casual]

I just look at it different than you,

With all due respect, you can look at it, feel, or believe whatever you want, but facts say otherwise. If you see a bus a block away and you're in the crosswalk, it's not unavoidable.

 

[Hand Skills]

Easy there. Facts are open to interpretation.

Statistics by themselves are not facts.

Discussion and disagreement is ok here. Keep it respectful. WE DONT KNOW WHAT WE DONT KNOW. If we come together with our experiences, we can all learn something from one another. If you are not ok with that, please do not post here

 

[ButterBean]

Easy there. Facts are open to interpretation.

Statistics by themselves are not facts.

Discussion and disagreement is ok here. Keep it respectful. WE DONT KNOW WHAT WE DONT KNOW. If we come together with our experiences, we can all learn something from one another. If you are not ok with that, please do not post here

You Slobberd a Bib full right there

 

[Another Casual]

Easy there. Facts are open to interpretation.

Statistics by themselves are not facts.

Discussion and disagreement is ok here. Keep it respectful. WE DONT KNOW WHAT WE DONT KNOW. If we come together with our experiences, we can all learn something from one another. If you are not ok with that, please do not post here

I apologize if I have offended you or anyone else on here. I am clearly open to discussing or I would not be replying. I would hope that the others here are open to the same.

I agree, statistics aren't facts on their own, correlation does not equal causation. I also agree that we don't know everything about the virus and it may be years before we do, if it happens at all. But that's not what is being discussed. If I'm not mistaken the other poster disagrees with me that the virus can be stopped. Instead they hold it will spread no matter our actions. With that I must disagree.

This isn't the first virus to spread across humanity. Some things shouldn't be surprising. Among those is that washing hands works, you can't give me the virus if you're not near me, don't touch your eyes and mouth with dirty hands, and that a mask slows or stops vapor droplets in your exhale from coming in direct contact with my face.

My point, we are not without tools to fight and win, and while death and taxes are inevitable, the spread of this virus is not. If we surrender and believe it is inevitable, then we have already lost.

 

[ButterBean]

I apologize if I have offended you or anyone else on here. I am clearly open to discussing or I would not be replying. I would hope that the others here are open to the same.

I agree, statistics aren't facts on their own, correlation does not equal causation. I also agree that we don't know everything about the virus and it may be years before we do, if it happens at all. But that's not what is being discussed. If I'm not mistaken the other poster disagrees with me that the virus can be stopped. Instead they hold it will spread no matter our actions. With that I must disagree.

This isn't the first virus to spread across humanity. Some things shouldn't be surprising. Among those is that washing hands works, you can't give me the virus if you're not near me, don't touch your eyes and mouth with dirty hands, and that a mask slows or stops vapor droplets in your exhale from coming in direct contact with my face.

My point, we are not without tools to fight and win, and while death and taxes are inevitable, the spread of this virus is not. If we surrender and believe it is inevitable, then we have already lost.

Question, Do you put gloves on and or wash your hands every time you pump gas, open the mail, use your debit card, open a door, pay with cash, pick anything up off a shelf and look at it............... anywhere? and I never said it can't be stopped but I doubt that it can be

 

[scott0303]

I apologize if I have offended you or anyone else on here. I am clearly open to discussing or I would not be replying. I would hope that the others here are open to the same.

I agree, statistics aren't facts on their own, correlation does not equal causation. I also agree that we don't know everything about the virus and it may be years before we do, if it happens at all. But that's not what is being discussed. If I'm not mistaken the other poster disagrees with me that the virus can be stopped. Instead they hold it will spread no matter our actions. With that I must disagree.

This isn't the first virus to spread across humanity. Some things shouldn't be surprising. Among those is that washing hands works, you can't give me the virus if you're not near me, don't touch your eyes and mouth with dirty hands, and that a mask slows or stops vapor droplets in your exhale from coming in direct contact with my face.

My point, we are not without tools to fight and win, and while death and taxes are inevitable, the spread of this virus is not. If we surrender and believe it is inevitable, then we have already lost.

There has been a flu vaccine since 1933 (military) and 1943 for the civilian population. The flu kills 40 to 60 thousand a year on average. There is no cure for a virus.

 

[ButterBean]

There has been a flu vaccine since 1933 (military) and 1943 for the civilian population. The flu kills 40 to 60 thousand a year on average. There is no cure for a virus.

My point exactly

 

[crazyhorse]

As Handskills mentioned, statistics do not represent facts when looking at the entire picture unless they represent the entire situation. There's just as many statistical studies proving lock downs only have a temporary effect to lower the infection and transmission rate and can even support prolonging the issue.
This is a horrible situation and one that we as a nation and even planet will not escape without great loss and potential risk (new vaccine). It also doesn't help that a bunch of blood sucking politicians (on both sides) turning it into a political football for personal gain or popularity.

FWIW, due to my career, I was eligible in the first group of people to receive the vaccine. I'm 10 days post second shot of the Moderna with zero complications to this point.

 

[scott0303]

Here is how good these masks work.

 

[Another Casual]

No cure, but we can get the flu shot for the expected strains for that year, the equivalent of putting a seatbelt on, just in case. This vaccine is no different. I get a cold sore on my lip every year or two, so trust that I understand viruses can't currently be cured, but I also haven't spread it to anyone else. We can stop the spread of covid too.

Question, Do you put gloves on and or wash your hands every time you pump gas, open the mail, use your debit card, open a door, pay with cash, pick anything up off a shelf and look at it............... anywhere? and I never said it can't be stopped but I doubt that it can be

I don't normally wear gloves other than when changing oil or doing an inspection for work inside someone's house. I'm not touching my face and I have hand sanitizer I use immediately upon returning to my car after doing any of the things you listed. Why not? A $5 bottle lasts a few months and it reduces my risk when I have to go out. Along those lines, I'm not going out in public unless necessary (food and work) and I haven't been to any kind of social gathering since this started. When I do have to go out I wear a mask, keep my distance from others in the grocery store and use hand sanitizer when returning to my car. I shop late in the evening when the store is quiet and only go every other week. It is only mildly inconvenient to do so. If that's what I have to do to fight this, it's not much to ask.

Even with work, I'm able to do most of my inspections virtually right now, reducing the risk of me getting or giving the virus to anyone. No downside there either.

I'm confident we could beat it if we took it seriously. The vaccine is one piece of the puzzle, but until it is widespread it is not a replacement for other efforts. No piece on its own is perfect, but when combined it has an impact. Even with air bags and seatbelts people still die in car accidents, but it's less than before. And even if it comes out a few years later that none of the things I did were effective, it wasn't much work on my end to try and help.

 

[ButterBean]

Here is how good these masks work.

Some folks just never will see it

 

[Another Casual]

Here is how good these masks work.

The vape may go through the mask, but if you notice the vapor stays near his face as opposed to being sent across the room. It's velocity and ability to travel has been reduced. Is it perfect? No, but it's better than nothing and again, it's not much work to wear one.

Even if years later we find out if was useless or only mildly useful, that's not a reason to not try everything in your power to help out now. Wearing a mask is making an effort instead of giving up. I won't feel bad in hindsight for having tried.