I’m Convinced. No Lead Bullets for Game

[birddog 68]

That's why the laughing faces!

I'm slipping to not know that you were being sarcastic. I didn't even start drinking yet!

 

[xsn10s]

I have already (voluntarily) converted to all copper bullets for hunting, no regrets and no lost animals. I'll still gladly shoot lead at targets. My dad sees about one lead poisoned bald eagle per year on the farm, some go to rehab and survive, most don't. If I can prevent one per year, that's more than good enough a reason for me.

Judging by the idiotic comments in this thread, lead poisoning is still a legitimate concern for some of you. Bragging about how much lead you regularly consume is not the flex that your heavy metal addled brain thinks it is.

It would be interesting to learn which killed more bald eagles........ farms through pesticides or hunters with lead bullets. I'm pro farming having grown up in the mid west. But I'll still place my bet that farms have killed far more eagles and birds than lead bullets.

 

[xsn10s]

High levels of novel chemicals found in Great Lakes eagles - The Wildlife Society

For bald eagles nesting close to the shores of the Great Lakes, high chemical levels — including compounds previously found in the species and new or emerging ones — may...

wildlife.org

 

[FireFlyFishing]

It would be interesting to learn which killed more bald eagles........ farms through pesticides or hunters with lead bullets. I'm pro farming having grown up in the mid west. But I'll still place my bet that farms have killed far more eagles and birds than lead bullets.

Man sentenced for killing eagles, hawks on Flathead Reservation

Travis John Branson of Washington pleaded guilty in March to conspiracy and wildlife trafficking charges.

www.kpax.com

This doesn't help…

 

[fordy]

For performance? Not a chance. Thats funny.

Gday muddy buddy
memtb is somewhat correct
So unless you break memtb following statement down it can be correct or completely wrong

Some folks are catching on! For overall performance…..pretty difficult to beat monos! memtb

Yes one needs to look @ where & what the impact is & on what resistances the pill comes up against
Then one can make a better decision on what actually kills better or more efficiently as I like to word it & until recently I thought no mono would compete with a frangible @1700/1800 low resistance impacts well I was wrong & that now goes to apex in 6.5 cal with the ones I tested
Yet you move to brands like hammer Barnes nosler etc in the monos & one is correct in a pencil pill occurs & many mono do this even @2000 impacts so choose very wisely & blanket statements are one that doesn't help our sport

Move to high resistance & not all monos can handle that either & a c&c is a better option



So leading into that probably a better choice is head to a different thread on killing efficiency & one I'll gladly enter into with factual evidence of both sides of the coin

Yes one should choose wisely imo

Cheers

 

[med358-boise]

Is this a new record - 9 pages in less than 24 hours

Thought some of you might find this interesting regarding another source lead and other chemicals in in birds. The pic below is from contents of condor nests with chicks. The second pic is from the crop of dead condor chicks.

A decade or so ago, I actually did a fair amount of reading of the various studies and in all of those studies (IIRC) the number of actual observations of condors feeding on a game cut pile was a total of three. Rather interesting when you consider, the condor is likely one of the most study birds in the US.

Also, IIRC the majority of the studies a list lead from bullets as the likely source not a definitive source but interesting enough the type of lead identified in condor blood is also present naturally in the environment.

 

[Leaf Litter]

It would be interesting to learn which killed more bald eagles........ farms through pesticides or hunters with lead bullets. I'm pro farming having grown up in the mid west. But I'll still place my bet that farms have killed far more eagles and birds than lead bullets.

Excellent use of deflection to not address the topic at hand. You'd be a very stupid and successful politician

 

[Crockett12]

the fact that in California they tell us we have to use it and steel shot for upland birds is a joke way more cripple birds lost . If the Experts from the government tell you it's the best , don't believe it

The "Experts" in government have been deceptively influenced by the anti-hunting groups! The agenda of the anti-hunting groups to to get hunters to quit hunting! One way they can do that is to make it prohibitively expensive to shoot your firearm and passing laws to outlaw lead does exactly that!

 

[xsn10s]

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[xsn10s]

Excellent use of deflection to not address the topic at hand. You'd be a very stupid and successful politician

New report sparks questions and controversy over possible causes of Iowa ‘cancer crisis’

Binge drinking not seen as cause of Iowa’s rising cancer rates, researchers say.

www.iowapublicradio.org

From the report:
"

Pesticides and fertilizers

Iowa is the leading U.S. corn and soybean growing state, with millions of acres devoted to the crops. Corn and soybean farmers typically make heavy use of pesticides and fertilizers on their fields. Iowa farms use more weed killers (35 million pounds) and apply more commercial fertilizer (11.6 billion pounds) every year than any other state, according to federal data. The chemicals are known to contaminate both soil and water and leave pesticide residue in the harvested grains."

 

[xsn10s]

Use of Deadly Pesticides Remains Unchecked in U.S., Despite Devastating Impact on Birds, Other Wildlife

The United States is failing to effectively regulate neonicotinoid pesticides (neonics) despite overwhelming scientific evidence that these toxic insecticides harm birds, the insects that sustain them, and the aquatic environments many rely on, according to a report just published by American...

abcbirds.org

 

[xsn10s]

https://abcbirds.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Threats-to-Birds.pdf

From the article:
"Pesticides and Other ToxicsThe U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service estimates that as many as 72 million birds die each year from pesticide poisoning."

 

[HRM Johnny]

Ah don't get me started man lol. There's a legitimate group of people around me that has been trying to ban the use of lead in the Columbia River for years. It's comical.

Very funny, but on the other hand, I am sorry to hear that for your sake.

 

[Muddyboots]

Lead is far more dangerous, just follow Earp et al!!