How do you judge wind

[Barbourcreek]

The question skipglo responded to asked on it being overcast day when it's 15°. I agree when the sun's out there is a little bit more to use but overcast mirage is next to impossible

Not really. With a good spotter I do it at least 2 times a week. (Not at 15 degrees) 36 and up in general but even in overcast in my outdoor level 2 we do it running a sworovski spotter.

 

[Barbourcreek]

I agree experience is everything seems like a lot of people today want to rely upon electronics. And if their batteries fail they don't have the correct tools to use to do the job that they're trying to do. So to get outside and learn it is unbeatable

Agree
Tools can help teach and show error

 

[comfisherman]

I agree experience is everything seems like a lot of people today want to rely upon electronics. And if their batteries fail they don't have the correct tools to use to do the job that they're trying to do. So to get outside and learn it is unbeatable

In all fairness to the masses, we're in a society that makes it hard to have the time. Like the old Spanish fisherman tale, we have lives so buys its easier to generate income for an expensive tool or app that it is to have the time to sit afield and watch.

 

[Barbourcreek]

I teach in rain
Overcast
Sun
98 - 32 degrees
In general 6 classes a month all year around. It works if you know what you are doing

 

[Lee7588]

In all fairness to the masses, we're in a society that makes it hard to have the time. Like the old Spanish fisherman tale, we have lives so buys its easier to generate income for an expensive tool or app that it is to have the time to sit afield and watch.

Yep we live in a society that it's important for us to keep up with the Joneses so we have to work more instead of doing without. For those that can go without usually learn to function and live with less. And unfortunately most of us don't learn that lesson until much later in life.

 

[Lee7588]

I teach in rain
Overcast
Sun
98 - 32 degrees
In general 6 classes a month all year around. It works if you know what you are doing

At one point I want to take your class. You're not far away. I have buddies that have a lease on the north side of eufaula and family on the Georgia side of the lake

 

[Barbourcreek]

At one point I want to take your class. You're not far away. I have buddies that have a lease on the north side of eufaula and family on the Georgia side of the lake

Sounds good. Had a few from this forum come and they loved it !

 

[dfanonymous]

First 1/3, second third or final third is all important, once the wind blows the bullet off course it doesn't go back. The most accurate reading of the wind is where you take the reading, doesn't matter if it is the first, second, or final third of the shooting lane. Jeff showed in a picture the flag at the line was hanging limp but noted down the line the winds were moving pretty good showing the winds throughout the line are equally important.

As a hunter I don't typically get spotters either. We are scored by the meat in our freezers

As a hunter I don't get a shooting lane. So it's taken where I am at. I think that's the point.

Unfortunately there's a lot to this that a lot of people don't fully grasp that I don't feel the need to waste time typing into anymore. For instance, the 2/3rds will typically be the highest point the bullet reaches in max ordnance, where the wind can and will be a different value then measured, as it's further away from friction of the earth.


Idk, yobuck in the beginning of this thread was talking about shooting at deer to have a spotter shot…if he's open about it, im sure others do it to unfortunately...

I teach in rain
Overcast
Sun
98 - 32 degrees
In general 6 classes a month all year around. It works if you know what you are doing

teach me at bear mat (29 palms) in a 40 mph dust storm during these months, on range 220 haha

 

[Lee7588]

As a hunter I don't get a shooting lane. So it's taken where I am at. I think that's the point.

Unfortunately there's a lot to this that a lot of people don't fully grasp that I don't feel the need to waste time typing into anymore. For instance, the 2/3rds will typically be the highest point the bullet reaches in max ordnance, where the wind can and will be a different value then measured, as it's further away from friction of the earth.


Idk, yobuck in the beginning of this thread was talking about shooting at deer to have a spotter shot…if he's open about it, im sure others do it to unfortunately...

teach me at bear mat (29 palms) in a 40 mph dust storm during these months, on range 220 haha

To me a shooting lane, is the path a bullet travels to its target, whether a target shooter or hunter we all have shooting lanes. And yes the top of the arc will have less friction. But it is minimal difference unless shooting steep angles. All wind is important when shooting distance. First third isn't any more important than the second or last third. Jeff Heeg osoh's post at the muzzle had no wind and through the 2400 yard shooting lane winds were thrashing. The wheels fall off your theory in this situation. The wind at the middle and final sections is more important than the lack of wind at the muzzle.

 

[dfanonymous]

To me a shooting lane, is the path a bullet travels to its target, whether a target shooter or hunter we all have shooting lanes. And yes the top of the arc will have less friction. But it is minimal difference unless shooting steep angles. All wind is important when shooting distance. First third isn't any more important than the second or last third. Jeff Heeg osoh's post at the muzzle had no wind and through the 2400 yard shooting lane winds were thrashing. The wheels fall off your theory in this situation. The wind at the middle and final sections is more important than the lack of wind at the muzzle.

you said flag…we don't have flags in bullet paths out in the wild..just what you can ascertain.
I never said that all wind was NOT important. I was quoting someone else with a specific bit of information. I'm a big proponent of collecting all wind in a variety of ways. So there is no theory here.

Max ord is not a minimal difference. It depends on the height of the max ordnance and how accurate you need to be. "Not that much" can be 2 mph at 40 ft in the air…what's 2 mph off beyond 1000? What if you sacrifice BC for a bonded bullet? How does that affect trajectory?

…at the muzzle is relative. If I'm in a murder hole in a structure shooting to the outside, presumably, my wind in the structure is 0.

However, anywhere from 1 ft to 100y in front, behind and above me (the structure), there is wind. How you choose to collect that is another conversation. Above being the ideal method of possible.

 

[Lee7588]

you said flag…we don't have flags in bullet paths out in the wild..just what you can ascertain.
I never said that all wind was NOT important. I was quoting someone else with a specific bit of information. I'm a big proponent of collecting all wind in a variety of ways. So there is no theory here.

Max ord is not a minimal difference. It depends on the height of the max ordnance and how accurate you need to be. "Not that much" can be 2 mph at 40 ft in the air…what's 2 mph off beyond 1000? What if you sacrifice BC for a bonded bullet? How does that affect trajectory?

…at the muzzle is relative. If I'm in a murder hole in a structure shooting to the outside, presumably, my wind in the structure is 0.

However, anywhere from 1 ft to 100y in front, behind and above me (the structure), there is wind. How you choose to collect that is another conversation. Above being the ideal method of possible.

If you go back and look where I mentioned flag, it was in reference to the picture Jeff had posted and said there was no wind at the muzzle. No where did I say that there are flags in my shooting lanes. Your statement of wind in the first third being more important than the reminder of the wind is your stated theory.

 

[dfanonymous]

If you go back and look where I mentioned flag, it was in reference to the picture Jeff had posted and said there was no wind at the muzzle. No where did I say that there are flags in my shooting lanes. Your statement of wind in the first third being more important than the reminder of the wind is your stated theory.

I said "it is certainly important in the first third of the shot."
"It" in the context of getting a baseline reading…which it is. Because it's the easier and most accurate reading you'll get.

 

[skipglo]

Plenty as long as sun shine. With overcast, you can still read Mirage with a good spotting scope we do this with overcast aswell
Mirage is not useful after 9 mph so you other methods at that point

The statement was 15 degrees and overcast...I've never seen mirage at 15 degrees and hunt in temperatures as low as - 30. Perhaps I just didn't know where to look in these conditions.....but I didn't take into consideration...the mirage coming from the heat off my barrel...but that only occurs after the shot....so wouldn't be of any use!

 

[Lee7588]

I said "it is certainly important in the first third of the shot."
"It" in the context of getting a baseline reading…which it is. Because it's the easier and most accurate reading you'll get.

Seems that I miss read your statement. I read it as you saying the first third was the most important. Guess we start reading things and maybe don't pay attention to the whole thing, kinda like the flag thing