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[snox801]

Russia produces oil today. Practically every country in the world at one point was buying russian oil. Russia produces 10% of the worlds oil supply. The xl pipeline does not produce oil. It moves it and it is not in production today. If it were in production, it would move less than 1% of the world's oil. Again, move it not produce it. The oil that it would have moved will still be produced and moved another way. Russia has an affect on supply and demand. The xl pipeline does not. The 2 are in no way similar.

I never said if we produce more oil, it would not drive the price down. I said we pay whatever the market rate is regardless of how much we produce so even if we were to produce all the worlds oil, we will still pay whatever the market will bare. We don't get a discount because it came from here. The US alone cannot drive the price of oil back down to what it was pre-pandemic. It can lower it considerably but not cut the price of oil in half. Of course, they are not doing it because they don't see the need because they are making more money than they ever have before by not producing more oil. We were not the only ones who reduced the production of oil. Other oil producers would need to start producing more as well which is why the administration has been trying to get them to up their productions. Also, if other oil producers start producing more, it could trigger US oil companies to start producing more oil.

Well you are flat wrong about this.
Pipeline moves it yes but again you are shifting focus the whole industry matters when talking supply and demand.
First pump all the oil you want. If you can't transport it effectively then it's not a good supply prices go up.
Second how can you in the same conversation say it only will move 1 percent of the oil supply so that won't impact anything but turn around and say oh Russia caused this and they are a small amount. It all adds up after while 1 percent here 10 over here. You can dance around with these little things all you want but it's still a industry like any other and the government is the one driving cost. Again show us any proof that it's just greed? Where was this greed I. The last 100 years? You literally sound like Biden himself right now. In fact even the mainstream media that cover for him is now admitting it's his fault. Even his own party is turning on him for it. You can't keep crapping on one industry and expect them to invest large amounts of money into it.
Which proves my point with your argument even. Oil companies have record profits but what if they take those profits and do t invest them like the past to bring profits down on balance sheets? Bam record profits. Why invest money to produce more when the government polices might shut it down leaving you holding the bag like they investors of the company pipeline.
Do you at least see how this works?

 

[snox801]

I would say they are not happy about it. I would say that it is not playing a major role in the fact they are not producing more.

So Jim, if you had a business that had a profit of 100k last year. Now come tax time you could buy a truck that would help you by providing an asset that you own and could indeed expand your business. Would you?
Then imagine the government consistently saying they are gonna take said truck from you in the name of saving the planet. Would you risk investment into your future knowing they may take it or just sit on the cash?
Which would be considered record profits come tax time because you chose the lesser of two evils.

 

[257Tony]

Don't you guys know that the oil companies only got greedy when Biden took over? Before that, they were Mother Theresa with their money.

 

[JimFromTN]

Tony, life is a lot more pleasant if you just block him . Remember what Bean says about arguing with stupid people!
Maybe if enough people block him the moderators will toss him off the site. He adds nothing but friction to our otherwise fantastic community we have developed here.

So you think I should be banned because I don't agree with you?

 

[JimFromTN]

Don't you guys know that the oil companies only got greedy when Biden took over? Before that, they were Mother Theresa with their money.

They did make more profits in a single year under Biden than all 4 years Trump was in office combined. Drill baby drill just about bankrupted the industry. I would not count on them returning to that business model anytime soon regardless of who is in office.

 

[snox801]

They did make more profits in a single year under Biden than all 4 years Trump was in office combined. Drill baby drill just about bankrupted the industry. I would not count on them returning to that business model anytime soon regardless of who is in office.

So you are telling me getting the government out of the way and allowing free markets would bring cost down and drive some oil companies out of business? That's the market and that's what should happen and the market would stabilize.

 

[snox801]

Tony, life is a lot more pleasant if you just block him . Remember what Bean says about arguing with stupid people!
Maybe if enough people block him the moderators will toss him off the site. He adds nothing but friction to our otherwise fantastic community we have developed here.

Feel free to block him but to have him tossed is dumb and exactly the opposite of what should happen. Keep in mind him spends money like we do with advertisers on this site. Ban him and we loss support in the community.
Not to mention why not have an open forum?
I have one rule never argue with an idiot alone. You will never change that persons mind. But if other witness it you may sway them. Not calling him an idiot or saying he's right. Just stating that we really don't wanna start banning people for things that are not to our liking. People may say things you don't like but as long as it stays civil I say let it go. Or we risk living in echo chambers and silo ups struggle to understand where the other person is coming from.
Jim and I disagree on almost everything about politics which can drive me crazy at times, but I have had private conversations with him. He is a super nice human just has wrong politics in my opinion.
We have had great talks about hunting and things we agree upon and that itself is a benefit to me.
So feel free to hit ignore but keep in mind that if we start banning people it may be you next and that's exactly what I hate about the liberal sites for other things I enjoy.

 

[squeeeeze]

Feel free to block him but to have him tossed is dumb and exactly the opposite of what should happen. Keep in mind him spends money like we do with advertisers on this site. Ban him and we loss support in the community.
Not to mention why not have an open forum?
I have one rule never argue with an idiot alone. You will never change that persons mind. But if other witness it you may sway them. Not calling him an idiot or saying he's right. Just stating that we really don't wanna start banning people for things that are not to our liking. People may say things you don't like but as long as it stays civil I say let it go. Or we risk living in echo chambers and silo ups struggle to understand where the other person is coming from.
Jim and I disagree on almost everything about politics which can drive me crazy at times, but I have had private conversations with him. He is a super nice human just has wrong politics in my opinion.
We have had great talks about hunting and things we agree upon and that itself is a benefit to me.
So feel free to hit ignore but keep in mind that if we start banning people it may be you next and that's exactly what I hate about the liberal sites for other things I enjoy.

You have good points for sure. Nobody wants to get banned, but I've seen many on here get banned for much smaller things than he's done or said. Jim continues to stir the pot and continues to drive people nuts, call it civil debate. As I stated, Jim is the only one I've ever blocked. Considered 1 other a couple years ago, but I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't Jim with another user name due to sounding the same.

Civil debate is great. Regardless of whether you argue with him one on one or with everyone, the outcome is the same. Jim will never see your side (admittedly out loud) because he continues to peddle farces and half truths, which is why I could care less about presenting him with any facts, proving myself right, or taking his bait. He won't answer simple questions and dances around facts presented to him, and responds with the same ol ho hum liberal talking points. People would have to be a fool to not know what's caused this whole country's debacle.

Jim continues to regurgitate the same old things over and over, and you have to prove him wrong because he's always right. Not sure why you are wasting your breath on debate with him because he will never see your side (admittedly). You are a trooper! He keeps baiting people, but not many are biting anymore thank goodness.

In my opinion, this is how the middle keeps getting pulled further and further to the left (you're even using his words and terms now lol). People continue to be civil and see their side, but the left refuses to reciprocate.

Nice guy or not, I feel confident he doesn't believe what he's peddling and just continuing to push his political agenda. It only creates more friction in our wonderful community.

 

[snox801]

I agree I've seen a few get banned from here for what I wouldn't think should be. But not my site so how it goes.
I disagree with we are losing because of the debate. We lose by not engaging. Not a chance he ever changes my mind. In fact the longer it goes the more you see the changes and the double talk. If we didn't keep at it those would never be bright to daylight.
Like I said I'm not wasting my time to convince him. It's others that will be swayed but not if he just says his piece and nobody challenges him on it.

 

[squeeeeze]

Ok I gotcha. While Jim continues to try and Gaslight and spread propaganda, you're opposing his views so others hopefully see more than just his views.

I guess maybe I'm giving our fellow LRH members too much credit to be able to see through all the stink? But good on you nonetheless for staying engaged and sticking to your convictions, hold fast.

I recognize the liberal talking points early on (very easy to see) and know their agenda, so I try not to be baited. It's always the same old show, different channel.

 

[squeeeeze]

One thing that does kill me I keep hearing the left say is "the pipeline is years away from being completed"!

Well, if the pipeline hadn't been canceled, it would be nearing completion soon.

 

[2buffalo]

One thing that does kill me I keep hearing the left say is "the pipeline is years away from being completed"!

Well, if the pipeline hadn't been canceled, it would be nearing completion soon.

Not to mention it could have been expedited and could have been completed by now. It's amazing how quickly projects can be completed when needed. This also goes for the Mexican border wall. I believe Trump never considered not getting a second term. If he had thought that through I believe je could have completed everything he had funds for before the end of his first term. Now the metal is being sold as scrap for pennies on the dollar. I wonder how many people realize that when Brandon canceled wall construction there were already contracts in place and it probably cost more to cancel those contracts then actually building the wall. One of only a few complaints I had about Trump was the pace in which the wall was being constructed.

 

[birddog 68]

I wish Brandon would have installed turnstiles with counter's at the border so we'd have a better idea how many illegals were coming in.

 

[shortgrass]

snox, I think he's just 'jerkin' your chain"! He's arguing and disagreeing just for the sake of an argument! In his mind he stays "relevant" by disagreeing , arguing, and posting falsehoods (like it'd take years to complete 'the' pipeline).