For 7 mm enthusiasts

[MudRunner2005]

So...Back to 7mm talk, since I seemed to have killed the mood in here. I'm not used to that...My posts usually draw the opposite reaction where people start flaming me for saying the 7mm is just as effective as a larger caliber if placed properly...

 

[MontanaRifleman]

well spoken MR.

Unfortunately, in the US (and likely other countries as well) there is a large population of scum-bags who have no ethics and are comprised of an un-teachable attitude (you know that guy - the loud-mouth know-it-all). They're typically lazy, middle-aged males who would take questionable shots and/or participate in out-right game law violation with minimal to no affect on what little conscience they have remaining.

It's true you're going to have slob hunters, poachers and the like, but overall most of the hunting crowd is responsible and "ethical". The others usually get caught or get their *** in a crack somehow. Point being, I don't think we need proficiency laws as a lot of these guys would pass them anyway which is why I think laws like that don't do a lot to solve the problem. Better to convince them, at an early age, not to be low lifes.

All that said, I'm sure the 7 shooters are the best of the lot How's that for getting back on subject?

 

[MudRunner2005]

It's true you're going to have slob hunters, poachers and the like, but overall most of the hunting crowd is responsible and "ethical". The others usually get caught or get their *** in a crack somehow. Point being, I don't think we need proficiency laws as a lot of these guys would pass them anyway which is why I think laws like that don't do a lot to solve the problem. Better to convince them, at an early age, not to be low lifes.

All that said, I'm sure the 7 shooters are the best of the lot How's that for getting back on subject?

Whoa! What's with the sarcasm? Nobody said the 7 shooters were any better. Honestly, I'd give more respect to the LR varmint shooters shooting lightweight bullets at long ranges at small targets. Those guys get big respect from me.

 

[MontanaRifleman]

Whoa! What's with the sarcasm? Nobody said the 7 shooters were any better. Honestly, I'd give more respect to the LR varmint shooters shooting lightweight bullets at long ranges at small targets. Those guys get big respect from me.

Just a little humor Mud, no need to get excited

 

[fmajor]

I'm looking forward to 3rd elk rifle season here in Colorado with my 7mm RM (Rem 700 ADL from 1983) and am curious to see what affect 160gr Federal/Speer "Deep Curls" makes on a big 'ol elk!

I'll be hunting in/through Aspen glades and some thicker pine/spruce growth so distance won't be much past 200-250yds, but I'm ready for 450-500yd shots if one presents itself. I could go longer, but unless the need arises I don't want to have to carry the quarters much further than that!

 

[Varberger757]

Here in the US, those are the morons running our country...

In other countries they do something about their crappy politicians. Here in America we elect crappy ones and then spend 4 years bitching about the bad job they're doing, then idiots re-elect them to finish off the job for another 4 years.

And I am more scared to see what's probably coming next go-round.....That hiddeous bat, Hillary...

Really makes you want to move to Switzerland. Their gun laws are about the same as here.

No, in other countries it's mainly the same than in the US. Seemes that elected politicians are often or almost ever using their positions for their own benefit! The will of the sovereign, the entitled to vote, becomes widely neglected. Switzerland is not only great in terms of their reasonable gunlaws, but also in terms of absolute direct democracy. Every important law -proposal is going the way of what we would call a referendum. All citizens take their individual vote about it every time. That's what I would call an ideal democracy.

 

[Varberger757]

I'm looking forward to 3rd elk rifle season here in Colorado with my 7mm RM (Rem 700 ADL from 1983) and am curious to see what affect 160gr Federal/Speer "Deep Curls" makes on a big 'ol elk!

I'll be hunting in/through Aspen glades and some thicker pine/spruce growth so distance won't be much past 200-250yds, but I'm ready for 450-500yd shots if one presents itself. I could go longer, but unless the need arises I don't want to have to carry the quarters much further than that!

Ok, back to hunting and caibres again. I'm also getting pretty excited and looking forward to what my 180gr Trophy Bonded Tip will be doing on moose if I get one.
I almost don't dare to confess here that I'm going to use a 300WM at the first trip. For other hunts it'll be 7 x 65 R with a 175gr Nosler Partition, my main calibre for larger game. Never let me down!

 

[MudRunner2005]

No, in other countries it's mainly the same than in the US. Seemes that elected politicians are often or almost ever using their positions for their own benefit! The will of the sovereign, the entitled to vote, becomes widely neglected. Switzerland is not only great in terms of their reasonable gunlaws, but also in terms of absolute direct democracy. Every important law -proposal is going the way of what we would call a referendum. All citizens take their individual vote about it every time. That's what I would call an ideal democracy.

Stop it...You're making Switzerland look better and better. Not to mention all the beautiful tall busty blondes running around everywhere.

 

[jkupper]

stop it...you're making switzerland look better and better. Not to mention all the beautiful tall busty blondes running around everywhere. :d

lol :d:d:d

 

[Beng]

Stop it...You're making Switzerland look better and better. Not to mention all the beautiful tall busty blondes running around everywhere.

I thought you'd find them only in Sweden and California

Well even better not to have to cross lots of water when emigrating

ps: On a more serious note, the 7*64 of a friend rocks. The 6.5x55 plans are beeing thrown overboard right now, sacred 7mm land here I'm coming.

 

[Varberger757]

Stop it...You're making Switzerland look better and better. Not to mention all the beautiful tall busty blondes running around everywhere.

Ha, ha, the busty blondes have hopefully more than just skinny 7mm. In addition everyone pays almost pay no taxes. That makes the blondes affordable and even more tasty. lightbulb

 

[Varberger757]

Ok, back to the 7s and ideal guns for them. Single shot rifles (Break action rifles) seem to be made for the flat shooting 7mm's like 7 x65R, 280 Rem and 7RM. Both the 7x65R and the 7RM are the most sold calibres on this kind of rifle. They are mostly used in rough terrain like the Alpes, Scottish highlands and so on, everywhere where weight counts. Should be also perfect for the Rockies I suggest. They are light (5 – 6.5 lbs.), short (1m) and responsive. They deliver excellent handling characteristics and superb precision out of the box. Barrel length between '23.5 and '25,5 . Take them apart into 2 – 3 parts with the scope mounted or not and bear altogether in the backpack. Longest part will be the barrel. If more calibres are requested all someone has to do is to order an extra-barrelled action, done. These rifles are made for hunting goat, sheep but also deer on all responsible distances.

Calibres from 222 – 338WM. For real artillery from about 30 R Blaser up to the 338s this type of rifle is too light, even braked (IMO).

 

[MudRunner2005]

If you want to show them a real single-shot...Try to import an 1874 Sharps reproduction, like a C.Sharps, or a Shiloh Sharps in .45-120.

But, I have always thought a Ruger #1 (single-shot falling-block) heavy barrel in 7mm STW would be fun to have.

 

[Varberger757]

If you want to show them a real single-shot...Try to import an 1874 Sharps reproduction, like a C.Sharps, or a Shiloh Sharps in .45-120.

But, I have always thought a Ruger #1 (single-shot falling-block) heavy barrel in 7mm STW would be fun to have.

Thanks for the advice, but the real producers of single shots you'll find in Europe due to history and market. BTW, I know the Ruger falling block nr.1, a really good gun which I got the opportunity to try once before. But there are Krieghoffs, Merkels, Blasers so on and the super expensive custom rifles from Ferlach in Austria which really count. I've even seen one of your favorite calibres 257 Wby in the "gallery". They are build with so little tolerances that they never change their POI when reassembled. I'm in the beginning of my 50ties and the older you become the more you think about comfort... Could be worth thinking about such a gun. It's no issue reloading them if you're trained and familiar to single shot rifles. As you mentioned once before, that we always try to kill the game by good shot - placement like double lungshot. Normally no second shot is required.