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hey Mike Matteson can you tell me what bullet this is!!?? Shot was 684 yards .. impact velocity was 2343fps energy 3657ftlbs on a 6x6 bull elk slight quartering flattened him like a pancake!
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hey Mike Matteson can you tell me what bullet this is!!?? Shot was 684 yards .. impact velocity was 2343fps energy 3657ftlbs on a 6x6 bull elk slight quartering flattened him like a pancake!
bigngreen
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The ONLY difference between the Hunting and Target is a few thou of jacket thickness so they can handle the in bore environment of a target shooter, that is it, there is not a hunting design either by they way, the hunting line is the original target line that was renamed when a bunch of hunters found out they got better results than the hunting bullets they were using and talked Eric and Walt into the fact that their target bullets also hunted extremely well and they should market them to us so they renamed the thinner jacket Hunting and the thicker Target, shazam Hunting bullets!!
What tells me a bullet is good for hunting is shooting, opening up and cutting game, that is the ONLY thing that I believe, marketing is just that, blowing smoke up your butt hoping it tastes good!!
What tells me a bullet is good for hunting is shooting, opening up and cutting game, that is the ONLY thing that I believe, marketing is just that, blowing smoke up your butt hoping it tastes good!!
Not 1 deer or elk after many animals thats why I still use them.
Mike Matteson
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I am going by what Berger state on the Web Site. There Hunting and Target bullets. There no Target/Hunting bullets, on the boxes, nor what they showing in their adds. Nor do they say use for hunting on their target bullets. I wonder why? Target bullets aren't mint to expand like a hunting bullet. I just went through several state hunting regulations and only one I found anything on of bullet that require Soft Point Bullets. So I stand corrected somewhat. I know one thing for sure I won't being using Target bullets for hunting bullets, except on varmints. I seen lot of gunshot wounds by full metal jacket bullets, and more wounds done by soft point bullets in my years. F.M.J. don't compare to the destruction that a soft point does.
bigngreen
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Did you even look at the difference between them, the pointy end with the hole in it is the same through all the lines, which means they are an open tip bullet and as such and expanding bullet. Target bullets are designed for accuracy first, does not mean they don't work very well as a hunting bullet which should be obvious to you by now since the ONLY difference is the jacket thickness between the two.
Many Hornady shooters do the same thing, I know far, far more guys who have better on game performance from the ELD-Match bullets than they get from the ELDX, you'd be pretty dang slow to keep shooting a bullet that does not work for you as good as another bullet because someone in marketing slapped a label on it!!
I was wondering when this history lesson was going to hit this thread. I was about to post it myself. The original target bullet got relabeled hunting without any changes to the manufacture process. Those bashing everyone who hunts with. 215 berger out of a 300 win mag have no idea who they are bashing. Some of these expert shooters and hunters observe scores of kills or more each year with these bullets. Hundreds of kills over their lifetimes. Compare that experience with your own personal experience with the bullet before bashing every hunter that uses this bullet.
Mike Matteson
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If that the case, why are they saying they're done with the 215gr Berger bullet. They were stating that they lost several animal running off after shooting them. Either they are poor shots or the bullet didn't open up. What they were saying that they had good hits, and found bullets that didn't open up. Either that the bullet was going to slow to hit with enough impact to open up or something else is going on. What rifle they were using I didn't pay attention too. As you know they are a few things that bullets do. The bullet come apart and blood shot the animal. Bullets put a good wound channel in the animal without bloodshot the entire animal. Finally the bullet that pass through the animal. That doesn't open up to do enough damage to put the animal down within 100yds or so. Doesn't leave much of a blood trail. Poor hits that allows the animal to run off and never to be found. If you are having good results with a bullet, then use them.
This has been really entertaining. I have killed a pile of elk with 215s out of a 300 win. We guided a wounded warrior style hunt on "private ground". In one year I cleaned up 6 elk that were shot with "hunting bullets" out of everything from .243s to .338s. That was one year. I know many people have killed way more elk than I have with them. I have killed elk at 30 yards with them and 800+yds with them. You want to know the secret, make a good shot. In my experience, it really very rarely any bullets fault, almost always if we are honest it's our fault. We all know we can kill em with fmjs if we only shoot ear holes. My experience is my own and I am not trying to convince anyone to emulate it, but I think it's equally stupid for someone to tell me that I haven't done what I've done or seen what I've seen. As far as lost or crippled animals, I have had none with 215 hybrids, in fact I have ended many of those situations with them. If you don't like em don't use them but I doubt that the number of elk lost or shot poorly will change at all. As I said if we are honest it's almost always our fault. Elk take a lot of killing.
KyCarl
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Just because a lot of Elk are killed by cars and trucks doesn't mean you should hunt with a Ford?
Everyone flocks to the flavor of the day Today it's this tomorrow it's that Well I'm cool I use bergers not those old partitions...Seems to be the basis of this thread?? I like shooting SMK's but I don't hunt with them.....
on this thread??
Everyone flocks to the flavor of the day Today it's this tomorrow it's that Well I'm cool I use bergers not those old partitions...Seems to be the basis of this thread?? I like shooting SMK's but I don't hunt with them.....
on this thread??
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Wolf76
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after reading some comments on this thread, the only thing I'm going to do is add some people to the "ignore" list due to the massive ignorance.
Berger's flat out kill stuff. In fact my friend killed 2 elk with 1 shot ( killed the bull and a fragment killed a cow bedded down about 20 yards behind it) with the 215 Berger. Brother killed a dandy 6x6 @403 yards with a 308 w/168 Berger (30 yard recovery).
"It's all about shot placement" is touted here all the time..... unless it's a Berger bullet.
Berger's flat out kill stuff. In fact my friend killed 2 elk with 1 shot ( killed the bull and a fragment killed a cow bedded down about 20 yards behind it) with the 215 Berger. Brother killed a dandy 6x6 @403 yards with a 308 w/168 Berger (30 yard recovery).
"It's all about shot placement" is touted here all the time..... unless it's a Berger bullet.
In all my years of hunting I've had what I consider 2 bullet failures, one was a 7mm 140 Nosler ballistic tip in a 7mm-08 25 years ago on a whitetail that splashed on the hide right behind the front shoulder took me all day to finally get that buck.
Next was about 30 years ago when Barnes first came out with there bullets, I tried there 120 gr in a 280 and my buddy had i think the 130 in his 270 weatherby he shot a buck and it came down to me i shot it just stood there shot it 4 more times before it ran off and died. Skinned it out, all 6 holes looked like you pushed a pencil all the way through the deer zero expansion.
Over the years I shot Rem cor-locs, Nosler Partitions and Berger.
For LR first choice - Berger
Under 400 - Nosler Partition
Neither of these 2 have ever failed me
Next was about 30 years ago when Barnes first came out with there bullets, I tried there 120 gr in a 280 and my buddy had i think the 130 in his 270 weatherby he shot a buck and it came down to me i shot it just stood there shot it 4 more times before it ran off and died. Skinned it out, all 6 holes looked like you pushed a pencil all the way through the deer zero expansion.
Over the years I shot Rem cor-locs, Nosler Partitions and Berger.
For LR first choice - Berger
Under 400 - Nosler Partition
Neither of these 2 have ever failed me
