No argument here. Basically I feel I've got caught up in the heavy for caliber high BC bullets. Guess I'm a slow learner. I finally realized other than the one deer and one elk, all game was under 500 yds. I've been slowly switching some guns to the hammers. They've been working excellent. Very expensive to get here in Canada. But still a small price to pay compared to custom rifles, trucks, hotels/lodging etc. Once you got your load and drops I don't use these guns for practice or long range steel. I agree on wasting elk meat. Hate to see that. Think I'll try a hammer in the 170-180 gr range. Maybe lighter if I can talk myself into it.