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Berger HUNTING Bullets

I've always considered Berger bullets as target bullets and shied away from using them on game for years..... All that changed recently , My best hunting load for my 338 Edge was the 300 gr Accubond and it worked great on moose and black bear from 35 yards to 450 yards but I always had concerns about this super tough bullet opening up at longer range,
Almost everyone who shoots the 338 Edge raves madly about the Berger 300 gr OTM / H1000 combo so I spent some time and burned up a box with no accuracy to be found ..... I blamed the bullets then the Obermeyer bbl and gave up on Berger ..... Then again I was swayed by the reports of Bergers blasting game at long range and I desperately wanted the bc ...... So I got some 300 gr Hunters and a new jug of H1000, (the other powder was a couple old cans I had from the early 2000's that I tried in my 300 RUM ) Looking at my old shooting/ loading notes and data reminded me that I could not get the H 1000 to shoot worth a rat arse in the 300 Rum nor the 7.82 Warbird .... Reloder 25 shot lights out with same bullets in both rifles ......
That was my problem, the old lot of powder ......switching to the brand new lot of powder I had the Bergers shooting nice and neat 1/2" triangular groups and the point of impact was the same as with the 300 gr Accubonds, I was stoked ! Had my close range and long range loads figured out finally !

In Sept of 2014 I was set up where I could take a shot at 6-800 yards in a series of connecting swamps where I had spotted a large bull a week before, after spending half a day of glassing with no sign of moose I decided to move down to the swamps and do some calling , I'd forgotten that the top round in my Seekins mag was the Berger round with four Accubonds beneath, hunting solo 50 miles into bear infested country I felt the Accubonds were better in the event I met a bear with bad manners . Called in a decent 52 1/2" 3x2 brow tine bull in right at 100 yards, It being the second to last night of the season I decided to take him, pulled the bolt back and pushed that Berger load in and shot the bull with a classic "just behind the shoulder, top of the heart/ bottom of lungs" not realizing that I'd forgotten to switch that round out for the close in / calling set up ....

I witnessed one of the loudest bullet impacts and most dramatic kills out of the 30+ bulls I'd taken over the years, death was instantaneous and the bull was slammed to the dirt stone cold dead, I recovered the bullet jacket against the hide on the other side, While it didn't penetrate the hide It passed through the entire body of the bull, I recovered pieces of jacket and lead in the heart and all the way through the wound channel to the hide,

This year Sept 2015 , I purposely had a 300 gr Berger Elite Hunter bullet on top in the mag followed by the four Accubond loads for mean Mr. Brown ........ I called in and shot my bull at 62 yards and again was rewarded with an explosion of an impact, the bull was tired of hanging around and was getting suspicious, as he headed for cover he stepped into a mudhole as I fired, the bullet impact was high, right under the back , his lungs were wiped out and the force of the bullet impact /energy or whatever the hell happened broke his back also ! He did a rodeo horse kick and was spun around and fell facing in the opposite direction, death was immediate ..... I recovered the bullet jacket and a bit of lead still in it against the hide , see photo of bullet

Two animals down at close range is hardly scientific research but I will continue to use the 300 gr 338 cal Berger Elite Hunters for moose , with the Accubonds as back up of course, just 'cause it feels good that way ......

Now if that new Hornady ELD Match shoots as well as the Bergers ? ........ But then again 300 gr at 2900 fps is hard to walk away from ......

My apologies for the long winded post, but I had to tell somebody y'know !
I've seen a lot of guys have success shooting the 300gr .338.

It is easy to imagine why, even if the bullet breaks up and only 1/3 of the weight is retained you've still got a lot of energy remaining in what is left.

The smaller/lighter bullets, not so much.
 
I honestly had blinders put on just because

Blinders heck, that's nothing. Try pulling long anchor in 100+ degree weather in a small craft with the anchor retrieval button sitting in an odd position on the deck in rough water. Just because comfortable boots are made for cold weather and rough country, they are not the ticket for this undertaking. Headspace was the issue with retrieval, not the anchor or the boots.


 
I been a Accubond quy since they came out. Great bullet. Many drop dead kills. I too drank the Berger Koolaid. First experience was with 168 vld's in 7RM. Shot a buck a 250 yards. Saw the hide flex by the heart when I shot. He ran 100 yards before he piled up in the field. Last year shot a bull in Montanna at 800 yards. 7RUM, 180 Hybrid. First shot was in chest. Bull ran 50 yards and laid down in some pines. Could not get a second until bull stood up half hour later. All I had was shot at hind quarter and I took it. Bull laid back down. Recovered bull. Didn't know I hit it with the second shot until we skinned it. No sign of a hole. Opening morning of Colorado's first season this year. Shot a bull in the broadside in the lungs at 280 yards with 7RUM, 180 Hybrid. My son and I heard the bullet hit the elk. My son saw him hunch up thru the binos. Bull reversed direction and ran. could not get a second shot. I assumed he was dead just out of sight. Never found the bull. Never found any blood. They shoot great, but they don't kill like accubonds.
 
Shot a large whitetail buck at 100 yards yesterday with the 215 Berger from a 300 WSM. DRT. 30 cal entry hole and 1" diameter exit. Shot was placed just behind the shoulder.
 
I've seen a lot of guys have success shooting the 300gr .338.

It is easy to imagine why, even if the bullet breaks up and only 1/3 of the weight is retained you've still got a lot of energy remaining in what is left.

The smaller/lighter bullets, not so much.

Used a 140 Berger to blow through the lower heavy shoulder bone on a heavy quartering with a steep up angle shot on a good size cow elk trying to escape, 280 yards bullet starting at 3225. CRUSHED her, blew threw her shoulder destroyed the front half of the on side lung, putting a couple holes in the heart, going through to the very front of the chest on the off side. Two steps and she flipped over and slid to the bottom dead, pretty standard issue kill since I went Berger!!
 
I have had very consistent performance with the 142/140 JLK's. This is the typical performance that I have gotten from my 6.5-284 at 2970FPS. This bullet entered from behind the rib case and retrieved from under the hide of the opposite shoulder. It was a 300+ pound Alberta Mulie at 475 yards. DRT and compete devastation of the heart lung area. I have taken over 30 game animals with this bullet from 100-1200 yards.
 

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i had the same experience a week ago . shot a bull at 200 yds right behind shoulder. bull walked away finally got another shot bull goes down. walk up to the bull he stands up !!! third shot finally down . no exit at all might be time to go back to good old partitions or aframes .
 
i had the same experience a week ago . shot a bull at 200 yds right behind shoulder. bull walked away finally got another shot bull goes down. walk up to the bull he stands up !!! third shot finally down . no exit at all might be time to go back to good old partitions or aframes .

What did you shoot him with and what did the lungs look like?
 
third shot took out the heart .. first two shots entered then no expansion. i wish i had took pics 300rum 210 vlds 3035 fps nothing happened at all! deer i've shot drop dead in their tracks still i have never had a exit wound
 
third shot took out the heart .. first two shots entered then no expansion. i wish i had took pics 300rum 210 vlds 3035 fps nothing happened at all! deer i've shot drop dead in their tracks still i have never had a exit wound

So the bullets that did not expand also did not exit?
 
I was an accubond fan forever great kills, DRT most of the time, with good blood trails on any that did move some. Discovered Bergers and how well they shot.

Whitetail #1 .308 175 gr Berger 2656 mzl vel. 100 yard shot vel at impact 2482 deer was DRT.
quartering to shot entered back on shoulder pencil in crater out.

Whitetail #2 300wsm 175 gr Berger 3036 mzl vel. 450 yds shot vel at impact 2222 few steps and dead. Broadside lung. Pencil in maybe two inch hole out no bone hit.

Whitetail #3 300wsm 175 gr Berger 3036 mzl vel. 20 yds vel. 2995 broadside behind mid line shoulder. Deer runs 20 yds tail up stops. Shot again to same POI. Deer reacts the same and falls dead before third shot. No bone contacted. Pencil in Pencil out little blood.

Whitetail #4 .308 175 gr Berger mzl vel. 2656. 350 yard shot vel at impact 2063. Spotter and I both heard bullet strike deer drop. No blood no deer. Spent the next several hours looking, Nothing.

Shots #2-#4 made off bench with sand bags.

Whitetail #5 is going to be an accubond or partition!!!

I cant take the loss of a deer, I know from experience that if shot with one of the two bullets above I would have had some sign to track.
 
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third shot took out the heart .. first two shots entered then no expansion. i wish i had took pics 300rum 210 vlds 3035 fps nothing happened at all! deer i've shot drop dead in their tracks still i have never had a exit wound

Bigngreen: "So the bullets that did not expand also did not exit?"

Len: How is that possible?

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So today is the first day of the Wisconsin whitetail season. Something like 600,000 hunters out in the field...plus me and Andy.

This afternoon I shot a 2 year old 10 point buck at 178 yards.

28 Nosler, 195 Berger, 3070 muzzle velocity.

Hit him just behind the shoulder. Double lung. Ran 30 yards and flopped.

Golf ball sized exit.
 
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