Bear spray vs Bullets

[Pdvdh]

I don't know how the law enforcement in Montana and the other grizzly states handle it. In Alaska, it's a non-issue to kill a bear that's in your face. There's a lot of maulings up here and a lot of bears. They're refered to as DLP shootings. Defense of Life or Property. They damage property up here and they can be shot. Law enforcement won't even refer a case to the prosecutors if their findings at all match the story from the shooter. And no jury would convict anyway if there was an even half plausible story.

As the maulings become more common in the states, I suspect prosecutors will realize the difficulty in getting a jury to see things the bunny-hugger way.

I use any advantage they offer to increase my odds of winning. Because losing carries a heavy cost.

 

[wilkup]

https://youtu.be/8RHkGOc137A?t=1

Excellent information! Thanks for sharing the video!

 

[bigngreen]

I don't know how the law enforcement in Montana and the other grizzly states handle it. In Alaska, it's a non-issue to kill a bear that's in your face. There's a lot of maulings up here and a lot of bears. They're refered to as DLP shootings. Defense of Life or Property. They damage property up here and they can be shot. Law enforcement won't even refer a case to the prosecutors if their findings at all match the story from the shooter. And no jury would convict anyway if there was an even half plausible story.

As the maulings become more common in the states, I suspect prosecutors will realize the the difficulty in getting a jury to see things the bunny-hugger way.

I use any advantage they offer to increase my odds of winning. Because losing carries a heavy cost.

Not quite the same here, your almost guaranteed a law suet from one of the groups, it's money in their pockets win or loose, best case they just sue the FWP for not raping you and FWP won't fight back cause it's cheaper to settle out of court so they win that plus court costs either way the groups see a win win and your at best going to have a bad week. You'd better have video of a bear chewing on you before you shoot one here, don't even think about defending your property, you'll be fined and sued into oblivion!!

 

[jmden]

GUN WATCH: AK: Hiker Stops Charging Brown Bear at 6 Feet with 10mm Pistol

Know anymore about this phorwath?

 

[whitely]

Good question and my biggest beef with spray you have ONE try if it doesn't work your DONE.. with a hand gun you get six chances, even if all six are from underneath.

Another question is, how do you know the bear spray can you are carrying will actually work? I can fire my handguns and rifles and be fairly certain they will function when needed. If I buy some bear spray, how can you test that actual can and still use it later (most seem to be one or two shots)?

I was on Kodiak last year, and some dude was telling me his bear spray story. He carried this bear spray can for a year, and then wanted to update it. He wanted to test it out, so he went out back, and let it rip, but nothing happened - the can was defective. He decided to carry a .44 instead!

 

[Browning300]

Another defective can!!! someone needs to run an experiment, buy a few cans of spray and set them outside in the weather for a year (to simulate them being carried around on your belt for a couple hunting seasons) and then see how many fire. if 50% fire then you would need 2 one for each hand that way if the one in the right hand doesn't fire you still have one left.
or maybe someone could design a spraycan revolver then maybe atleast one of the six will fire. I'm sure the Feds. would help you advertise it!
has anyone tried teargas?

 

[Pdvdh]

GUN WATCH: AK: Hiker Stops Charging Brown Bear at 6 Feet with 10mm Pistol

Know anymore about this phorwath?

I hadn't heard about that one. I Google searched and found a number of bear attacks and maulings in Alaska this summer season. Finally winnowed thru them and located this one. That brown bear was located about 75 air miles from me. One wouldn't expect to encounter brown bears on that side of Kachemak Bay. Predominantly black bears there, but the brown bears continue to expand there range if there's sufficient food available. This guy pulled his pistol out of his pack as soon as he saw brown bear scat and placed it in a pocket for fast access just prior to encountering the sow and cubs. That surely save him from enduring a whooping, or worse. Sounds like he brained the bear, and blew off one of his toes in the process. A minor loss, relatively speaking.

https://craigmedred.news/2016/08/09/bear-killed-man-shot/

I like to read the after-the-fact articles when there's a survivor. They're much more factual a week after the fact than most initial reports the day of or immediately following. Nice to know the 10mm Auto dropped the bear with the head shot. I'd have liked a little more detail on the bear's response to the first hit - but maybe there was no notable reaction other than the continued charge.

My son carries a Glock 10mm Auto, loaded with some heavy FMJ loads designed for certain penetration. He's drawn on one black bear but never had to fire. I carry a 2 1/2" barreled Ruger Alaskan revolver in .454 Casull, loaded with 335gr hard cast bullets leaving the muzzle at 1,200fps. I've never shot a bear with my revolver. Never even had to draw it yet, except on moose. [A moose just killed an elderly Alaska woman based on a news article in today's paper. If it's not bears it's moose.] I carry my revolver for bear defense when I'm not carrying a long arm. However a man that lives about 8 air miles from me stopped a very old, malnourished boar with the same revolver - maybe 6 springs ago. That boar began its charge from about 25-30yds. He shot double action from the waist as quickly as the revolver cleared the holster, while backing away from the bear in the effort to increase his available response time. He also tripped and fell backwards. Lucky for him he spine'd the bear with his last shot before his revolver jammed from a bullet jumping its crimp in the cylinder. He got great penetration. The bear skidded across the ground right past him and off the edge of the road. The deep penetration and a little luck saved him from certain death, as most interpreted this as a predatory attack by a starving boar. Canines were largely broken off or missing, and other teeth were worn away to the gums.

 

[Pdvdh]

More food for thought:

The cupability being described in this article is government agencies and officials preference that human beings not hurt bears, based on their "protect the wildlife culture" and/or personal beliefs/ethics. Thus the preference to extol the virtues and success of bear spray as the best and preferred means of bear protection. "Trust me, I work for the government, and I'm here to help." Yeah, I believe.

My Turn: Wildlife professionals culpable in Alaska bear attack | Juneau Empire - Alaska's Capital City Online Newspaper

 

[jmden]

Chehalis man survives grizzly bear attack during Montana hunting trip | KOMO

Sept. 25. Carrying a pistol, but apparently in his pack...

Didn't recall seeing anything about this one earlier in the thread.

 

[Wedgy]

Even Los Angeles is getting in on the bear attack action;

Hiker hospitalized after bear that 'came out of nowhere' attacks near Sierra Madre - LA Times

 

[jmden]

More food for thought:

The cupability being described in this article is government agencies and officials preference that human beings not hurt bears, based on their "protect the wildlife culture" and/or personal beliefs/ethics. Thus the preference to extol the virtues and success of bear spray as the best and preferred means of bear protection. "Trust me, I work for the government, and I'm here to help." Yeah, I believe.

My Turn: Wildlife professionals culpable in Alaska bear attack | Juneau Empire - Alaska's Capital City Online Newspaper

That is a very good point. Unfortunately, the only way to fight some of this madness may be to give them a dose of their own medicine, so to speak, and sue. It would be interesting to have a good lawyer go over the feds or others non-lethal bear methods (considering how slanted the tactics are) and see what they'd say...

 

[WildRose]

Not quite the same here, your almost guaranteed a law suet from one of the groups, it's money in their pockets win or loose, best case they just sue the FWP for not raping you and FWP won't fight back cause it's cheaper to settle out of court so they win that plus court costs either way the groups see a win win and your at best going to have a bad week. You'd better have video of a bear chewing on you before you shoot one here, don't even think about defending your property, you'll be fined and sued into oblivion!!

At least you are still alive. Your life may be hell but you are still living it.

Maybe if the bears eat enough greenies the rest will develop some common sense and when they do prosecutors and State/Fed game wardens will have their walking orders changed.

Juries, both criminal and civil are where change will have to begin.

There should be extreme punishments for prosecuting or suing anyone in a case of legitimate self defense and there's something nauseating about the burden of proof being on the person defending themselves or others.

As a nation we have in many ways lost our collective minds.

 

[Pdvdh]

Another bear spray failure near Hope, Alaska, about one week ago. A 46yr-old man failed to return to his house. He was found dead about 1 mile up the hill behind his house, obviously killed by a bear. He was clearing out a trail, according to officials investigating the incident, and recovering the body. Found next to him was an empty can of bear spray. Pretty sure the bear didn't trigger and empty the can of bear spray.

In the aftermath, the State of Alaska killed four female bears in the immediate area. One brown bear and three black bears. Fur from a female brown bear and a female black bear fur were recovered at the attack site. DNA confirmed both bears were females. DNA testing on the dead bears hasn't been announced yet, but they're being tested to see if there's a match to the fur collected at the attack site. Hopefully so.

Poor guy couldn't have done any worse with a firearm.

 

[Marine sniper]

If I ever have to kill a grizzly in Idaho I doubt very seriously I would tell any authorities unless I absolutely had to. SSS.
FWIW: I carry a Les Baer conversion .460 Rowland 255 hard cast bullets at 1275 FPS.