Bear protection handguns?

[xsn10s]

Now I'm rethinking the guns I carry
I packed a 1911 of several flavors and shot quite a bit with that old gun and I still shoot WAY better with one than the Glocks I've slowly began to favor.
Sooo… who makes the best plastic pistol with a grip closest to the 1911?

I don't measure the grip angle per se. I just shoot and see where I print, especially during speed drills on multiple targets. That's when I first saw issues/ difference of POA/POI due to grip angles. Most other firearms seem pretty close to the same grip angle of the 1911. Even the Glocks shoot just fine, for me, with their grip angle. I just train with my EDC so that the muscle memory takes over. Glocks can have their grips altered to point the same as 1911's. And there is a grip insert to make the Glocks point like a 1911. https://gripforceproducts.com/home

 

[3chester]

What amazes me is how much velocity and energy is gained in a pistol just increasing barrel length a bit. Going to a 6" barrel gets the 10mm quite a bit more performance. Some like the 45 Super conversion while I'd probably opt for the 460 Rowland if I wanted a bigger step up in performance. Not a fan of brakes for woods carry defense as they require hearing protection. I suppose if I needed the gun for a bear defense scenario, my hearing would probably be the last thing I'd worry about but that's still an issue. Recoil and followup shots are still important. The Rowland is roughy equal to a 10mm (without a brake) recoil wise. Another nice thing about converting the G21 to a Rowland is it will still shoot the 45 ACP round.

Do like the 460 Rowland and have used it but, seems the malfunctions increase too much for a real life defense round. They do suggest a milder load for self defense. Still think the longer 45 Win Mag would be quite a bit more reliable round for defense.

 

[wilkup]

Do like the 460 Rowland and have used it but, seems the malfunctions increase too much for a real life defense round. They do suggest a milder load for self defense. Still think the longer 45 Win Mag would be quite a bit more reliable round for defense.

I've bounced between 10mm and upgrading to 460R but always end up talking myself back into a plain old vanilla Blackhawk

 

[calling4life]

Just make sure you practice like this

 

[WYO300RUM]

Hunter Uses Handgun To Finish Off Angry, Charging 1,000-Pound Kodiak Bear

When Tyce Erickson was charged by an enraged 1,000-pound Kodiak bear, he dropped it with three shots from his Smith & Wesson handgun. He swears by the gun…

cowboystatedaily.com

 

[fta0303]

Hunter Uses Handgun To Finish Off Angry, Charging 1,000-Pound Kodiak Bear

When Tyce Erickson was charged by an enraged 1,000-pound Kodiak bear, he dropped it with three shots from his Smith & Wesson handgun. He swears by the gun…

cowboystatedaily.com

It reminds me of the Nez Perce warrior Yellow Wolf, who encountered a grizzly while returning to Lapwai, Idaho from Sitting Bull's camp in Canada about 1880. He shot the bear with his single shot rifle, and as usually happened in those days, the bear advanced to kill him. Yellow Wolf beat the bear to death with his war club, a stone age mace. We really don't know whether the rifle bullet killed the bear after a delay, or Yellow Wolf's club. In the case described, the bear was shot twice with the guide's rifle: what killed it? The rifle or the pistol? And, not to be uncharitable, how do you miss a 1000 lb grizzly at 40 yards?

 

[Pdvdh]

Add me to the unimpressed. I read the article to learn more about the stopping ability of the 10mm round on a large bodied, charging brown bear.

My interpretation is this bear was already 'stopped' by the guide's rifle. After shooting the bear with his rifle, the guide fell and was floundering in the brush, yelling for assistance. The 10mm pistol packing client then had time to drop to his knees and crawl forward through brush until he had a clear shot. Fired his 10mm 3 times, and believes he hit the bear in the back and the neck with two of his shots. The guide told him to stop shooting after his 3rd shot so as to not damage the bear's skull.

An interesting read, but I didn't learn anything about stopping a large, mobile, brown bear with a 10mm. Because a mobile bear would have been on the guide before he could call for help and the client with the pistol could drop to the ground and crawl forward for a clear shot.

A click-bait titled article. Didn't live up to its description... "Finish off angry, charging, 1000-pound Kodiak Bear".

The hunter used his 10mm to finish off an immobilized bear. A bear disabled by the guide's rifle shot to the extent it was no longer capable of charging anything. So..., hat's off to the guide.

 

[wilkup]

Hunter Uses Handgun To Finish Off Angry, Charging 1,000-Pound Kodiak Bear

When Tyce Erickson was charged by an enraged 1,000-pound Kodiak bear, he dropped it with three shots from his Smith & Wesson handgun. He swears by the gun…

cowboystatedaily.com

Just listened to JVB interview him on his podcast. Wild story of adrenaline and rising to the occasion. I'd be curious to know more about where the guides bullets connected or if that 10mm really was actually that effective.

 

[Pdvdh]

I could'a finished off this bear with a spear, and never incurred a scratch from claw or fang.
Or..., just waited until he expired from the rifle bullet hits.

 

[WYO300RUM]

I posted just for the read. I'm doubtful on story.

 

[Pdvdh]

I posted just for the read. I'm doubtful on story.

I'm sure it was an excitement filled adventure. Been there... Here perhaps an editor just creating an article to generate maximum number of reader clicks.

Another indictation the bear was seriously handicapped is it turning on them after they tracked it 2 miles, Rather than choosing to avoid the showdown. Finally weakened to the point of fight, rather than flight.

And the trackers never know the true risk until the dust and smoke clear.

 

[WYO300RUM]

I'm sure it was an excitement filled adventure. Been there... Here perhaps an editor just creating an article to generate maximum number of reader clicks.

Another indictation the bear was seriously handicapped is it turning on them after they tracked it 2 miles, Rather than choosing to avoid the showdown. Finally weakened to the point of fight, rather than flight.

And the trackers never knows the true risk until the dust and smoke clear.

The two miles brought doubt to my mind and I also thought the story was to pump the article. Kind of like Fakebook

 

[308plinkerVT]

I personally always remember this when this kinda question pops up. JIC someone here hasn't run into it yet. Admittedly also haven't "snopes-ed" it yet lol...

 

[Red22]

I personally always remember this when this kinda question pops up. JIC someone here hasn't run into it yet. Admittedly also haven't "snopes-ed" it yet lol...
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That's a great public service announcement!