At what point does custom pay off?

[mrb1982]

Is it at all possible to have the mag box altered to fit long bullets workout having to use a wyatts mag box?

 

[MudRunner2005]

Is it at all possible to have the mag box altered to fit long bullets workout having to use a wyatts mag box?

Short answer, no. You have to have a mag box in there, or put a single-shot block in it. Which will cost you enough you might as well just buy and install the Wyatt's setup.

 

[mrb1982]

I see this now that I look more closely at it

 

[wackinandstackin243]

Naturally long range shooting would be more affordable if the factory would produce the right stuff. If the factory would devote more attention to quality stocks, faster twist barrels, and newer calibers they would fly off the shelves. Is there really that much demand for a 270 or 30-06 with a plastic stock these days?

 

[KYpatriot]

I agree. Given that there are few disadvantages to a slightly faster than std twist I don't understand why factory still goes with the slower twists.

 

[mrb1982]

Very good point. Seems like they could offer special order stiff at least. O am guessing it has something to do with the ga aperture ammo offerings? ?? Who knows

 

[Bigeclipse]

Naturally long range shooting would be more affordable if the factory would produce the right stuff. If the factory would devote more attention to quality stocks, faster twist barrels, and newer calibers they would fly off the shelves. Is there really that much demand for a 270 or 30-06 with a plastic stock these days?

I agree. Given that there are few disadvantages to a slightly faster than std twist I don't understand why factory still goes with the slower twists.

Very good point. Seems like they could offer special order stiff at least. O am guessing it has something to do with the ga aperture ammo offerings? ?? Who knows

I know what you guys are saying but I would be willing to bet 99% of the people hunting these days still hunt under 300 yards. If you look at it though, the companies are starting to come out with more and more longer range set-ups which they do seem to listening to what we want. You can find remingtons, savages, sakos with nicer stocks (B&C, HS precision, McMillan..etc) You do find some examples with muzzlebrakes preinstalled.

Honestly though, I wish they would "BED" the long range specific models that way I wouldn't have to send mine off to a gunsmith every time I wanted it bedded. Even if I would try bedding it myself (which still scares me to be honest haha) it is still a lot of work. The problem is for them to sell models that came bedded or special twists and nice stocks...etc...the price would probably start nearing custom rifles.

 

[mrb1982]

The problem is for them to sell models that came bedded or special twists and nice stocks...etc...the price would probably start nearing custom rifles.

Bingo!!! I bedded the recoil lug only on my Sendero, mostly because it was the first thing I ever did and I was nervous.

I just bedded my old 270win BDL that I have had for years. I didn't put pillars in, but I did the rest of the bedding. I know that you shouldn't do one without the other, but I more or less did it to practice to see how it would all pan out. Turned out pretty good actually, and fairly easy.

I am kinda leaning toward a laminate stock, whether it be from Joel Russo, or if I go something more economical, a Bobby Hart

If I bought something with an aluminum bedding block, I wouldn't have to worry about the pillar bedding, and I feel really good about my ability to bed the action. But........I know that it would probably be better if I bought it without any bedding blocks and then added pillars and bedding. Just don't know how I feel about doing the pillars myself. If I am able to do the regular bedding myself, is it much harder to do the pillar bedding?

 

[wackinandstackin243]

Even if the price is similar, it is worth something to be able to get it without waiting so long. My first rig was an FN SPR for $2800. I chose that over a build because I knew I could get started without waiting and without blindly trying to develop a load. The 308 was not my frst choice by any means, but the factory guaranteed 1/2 accuracy with match grade factory ammo. Long story short, I got my feet wet shooting long range instead of waiting another year. Now that I am in the game so to speak I have more time to build the next one.

 

[mrb1982]

I could definately see that. Lucky for me I already have a good gun to get my feet wet. This one will be a little nicer than my last one.

I am thinking maybe go with a Bobby Hart laminate without bedding block and then have a good smith do a good job of pillar bedding it. Then with a good barrel installed well, with a Jewel trigger, should be real good shooter.

 

[mrb1982]

Sorry realized my autocorrect gave me a few errors in my last post.

I am guessing the factory rifles make the twists they make for factory ammo, not necessarily for the handloaders. Therefore it would probably take a shift in both the ammo and gun makers to see a real difference. Who knows.

 

[bootsking]

Anyone who has a 1/2 MOA rifle, factory or custom, should enter something like F-class competition and win every match. At that point you will be offered sponsor-ships for any number of free rifles and worries over. I worked hard to get a few 5-shot groups <1/2 MOA at 300 yards, then entered my first F-class match this past Summer. Shooting with a number of champions and record holders, I was thrilled to finish in the middle of the pack. No one shot a perfect score of 600 (3 relays x 20 shots at 1/2 MOA) that day. I'm not belittling anyones' claim to shoot 1/2 MOA all day long, but it don't happen often and having expectations to do so are not realistic except for the best world-class shooters.

 

[KYpatriot]

There are plenty of half moa rifles. There are plenty of 1/4 moa rifles. There are few consistently sub moa shooters. That's why I think people focus too much on the accuracy of the rifle. A half moa shooter with a one moa rifle would win just about everything out there. Unfortunately, we usually have the reverse.

I would trade my 1/2 moa rifles for the ability to call wind to less than 2 mph everytime in a heartbeat, without hesitation. Few people can do that often, and I know of no one that can do it consistently in the field.

It's also why I'd recommend a factory 7 rem mag over the best custom 308 Winchester in the world if you want to increase your hit percentage at 1000. Most people will do better with the high BC bullet out of a factory rifle in the field, than they will with a 1/2 moa custom in the lower performance round.

 

[Dgd6mm]

There are plenty of half moa rifles. There are plenty of 1/4 moa rifles. There are few consistently sub moa shooters. That's why I think people focus too much on the accuracy of the rifle. A half moa shooter with a one moa rifle would win just about everything out there. Unfortunately, we usually have the reverse.

I would trade my 1/2 moa rifles for the ability to call wind to less than 2 mph everytime in a heartbeat, without hesitation. Few people can do that often, and I know of no one that can do it consistently in the field.

It's also why I'd recommend a factory 7 rem mag over the best custom 308 Winchester in the world if you want to increase your hit percentage at 1000. Most people will do better with the high BC bullet out of a factory rifle in the field, than they will with a 1/2 moa custom in the lower performance round.

Well put Sir.