Are the .338s becoming pointless?

[Stgraves260]

Thank you. What about the BC claims? If it's the same length as the Berger's, caliber for caliber and weight for weight how are they claiming almost .200 more BC on their 338 over Berger's BC. Berger 338 300 grain bullets have a .814 BC and that's proven with Doppler Radar and by Bryan Lits ballistics. Badlands 285 grain 338 bullets are claiming a 1.01 BC but there is no data. I'm starting to think this is more hype. More false claims. Great, that's all we need. LoL

 

[Stgraves260]

My 2018 moose test was with my version of a 338 Norma Mag Improved, bullet expanded on impact and plowed through the bull, knocking him off his feet and dead on hitting moss, completely sausaged him too, saved me a ton of work, lol !

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Nice bull

 

[Stgraves260]

My 2018 moose test was with my version of a 338 Norma Mag Improved, bullet expanded on impact and plowed through the bull, knocking him off his feet and dead on hitting moss, completely sausaged him too, saved me a ton of work, lol !

***** please excuse the face covering, this is prior to the covid bs and used as camo and bug protection when calling moose View attachment 213109View attachment 213110View attachment 213111View attachment 213112

Is that the exit wound?

 

[VLD Pilot]

Ok so I'm looking at these Bandlands Bullets. Someone stated they have a 338 Headhunter 285 grain bullet with a 1.01 BC. This would be really nice if it were true. I thank its to early in the game to believe the hype. There is no date to back it up yet. As of right now it is just hear say on the claims. Time will tell. It all ways does. (( I'm texting while I'm reading their web page )) Reading a little more. Apparently the company has been out sense around 2011. I feel that's adequate time. Almost 10 years but yet still no data. Can anyone shine some light on me with these bullets. Please only people that has used these bullets. People that have shot them. False claims solve nothing, nor do they prove anything. Thank you in advance.

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[Swamplord]

Berger has taken a pounding by Sierra bullets in bc the last few years, even Hornady has been planting the boot in their butts lately, and please don't compare solid copper bullets designed for ELR to Bergers thin jacketed lead core bullets, you can't compare the two very different designs

Badlands BC's are derived via the Oehler system

 

[Swamplord]

Is that the exit wound?

no sir, that is the entrance at the shoulder, bull was called in to 35 yards and hammered hard, bullet expanded stat on shoulder and plowed completely through tearing up the inner mechanisms of moose, also found the aluminum tip when quartering the bull but dropped it into the swampy mess and could not find it, exit wound was larger in diameter and about 16" diameter circle of hide was pre-peeled from bullet energy

 

[Stgraves260]

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Yes sir. That's what I found. But there is no proven data. That would be like me saying my 6.5 Cal 140 grain Berger bullets have a .900 BC. LoL. There is plenty of data out there that can prove the 6.5 cal 140 grain VLD Berger bullet has .600 G1 BC. I might be asking the question wrong. Barnes and Nosler did this back in the 80s and 90s I do believe. I thank Hornady fell into this also. They seam to have corrected it but there are new companies out there at it again. They trying to get their name out.

 

[Stgraves260]

no sir, that is the entrance at the shoulder, bull was called in to 35 yards and hammered hard, bullet expanded stat on shoulder and plowed completely through tearing up the inner mechanisms of moose, also found the aluminum tip when quartering the bull but dropped it into the swampy mess and could not find it, exit wound was larger in diameter and about 16" diameter circle of hide was pre-peeled from bullet energy

this is from a 243 105 grain Berger bullet at 62 yards.

 

[VLD Pilot]

Yes sir. That's what I found. But there is no proven data. That would be like me saying my 6.5 Cal 140 grain Berger bullets have a .900 BC. LoL. There is plenty of data out there that can prove the 6.5 cal 140 grain VLD Berger bullet has .600 G1 BC. I might be asking the question wrong. Barnes and Nosler did this back in the 80s and 90s I do believe. I thank Hornady fell into this also. They seam to have corrected it but there are new companies out there at it again. They trying to get their name out.

True but since that bullet isn't available yet, we won't know. I'm on the waiting list so will receive some once there available. I plan on testing some as soon as possible. The Badlands 260 ELR bullet has a .84 BC and it's spot on. I have no reason to believe the newest 285 published number is not close or correct. We'll see.

 

[milo-2]

I was astonished this is a topic. IMO, the only place the 338 is pointless is in the ELR competition ring, distances are past the capabilities. Unless caliber classes are made.

 

[Stgraves260]

True but since that bullet isn't available yet, we won't know. I'm on the waiting list so will receive some once there available. I plan on testing some as soon as possible.

Thank you sir. Back in the 90s I used to shoot Nosler Bullets and I had to subtract around .60 BC for my calculation to match my bullet drop data. Some of them I had to subtract .100 BCs. I did not have to do that with the Berger's. Everything just worked. Thank you sir. Please keep me posted when your order comes in.

 

[Pdvdh]

Swamplord,
Copper frags found where? Near entry side hide?

 

[VLD Pilot]

Thank you sir. Back in the 90s I used to shoot Nosler Bullets and I had to subtract around .60 BC for my calculation to match my bullet drop data. Some of them I had to subtract .100 BCs. I did not have to do that with the Berger's. Everything just worked. Thank you sir. Please keep me posted when your order comes in.

Seems like every bullet manufacturer besides Berger had there numbers incorrect for sometime. Hornady uses a better system as does Sierra today. Nosler seems to still have some trouble getting there numbers right. I don't really care what published numbers are. I seem to get the numbers real close after testing myself. Sure It helps if using a ballistic calculator but not necessary. After testing, I can see how close the manufacturers are with there numbers.

 

[Stgraves260]

True but since that bullet isn't available yet, we won't know. I'm on the waiting list so will receive some once there available. I plan on testing some as soon as possible. The Badlands 260 ELR bullet has a .84 BC and it's spot on. I have no reason to believe the newest 285 published number is not close or correct. We'll see.

But where is the data? There is no data other than here say. Brian Litz has no data on this and there is no Doppler radar verification. I thank I'm going about this this wrong. I might be asking the question wrong as well.