7prc > 7rm ??

[Mike Matteson]

Does anyone here actually NOT reload? To me, hunting with factory ammo would be like hunting with someone else's rifle.

When I use a rifle, I use hand loads unless it's 22 or a 5.56 on that line. I don't really use my AR rifle. Any centerfire other than that I reload for.
Cartridges changes it a way to sell more rifles. The PRC line is a change and getting away from belted mag rifles if you want too. I have all the rifles needed to take almost any animal in the world.
As far as bumping back the shoulder that can be done with the belted may cases. I did that well over 25 years ago and by accident too. By neck sizing 308 NM case with a 300WM neck sizing die. Worked great and stop the separation at the base of the case.
The biggest change is all copper bullets or longer bullets requiring faster twist rates. It's one more step in achieving better accuracies at longer ranges.
Bottomline is full steam ahead. Do as you want, and maybe I will follow or just sit on the sidelines and watch.

 

[tribb]

Just as an example when I bought a Weatherby Back Counrty 6.5 RPM had to buy Factory to get brass.
140gr Acubond advertise at 3075 I got 3042-3062 .
Pretty close for factory.

And that doesn't surprise me at all. My 6.5 RPM accumark shot slightly over the advertised factory velocity. Don't remember specifics it was on a Texas hunt had to prove l could shoot and guy had his lab radar set up at the bench testing his reload work so one shot dead on target and done. One shot isn't an average speed but it's all i have. Ammo was weatherby with 127 Barnes l r x.

 

[Ronald W Schaefer]

The big selling points are, short action, higher twist rate, beltless case, smaller powder charge, heavier bullets with higher BC, potentially lighter rifles...good velocity retained at long range, less recoil IF you have a brake. Allegedly more accurate due to case design. But a 1/8 twist 7mmRM will do the same performance, just longer action and more powder, belted cartridge. A lot of hunters use 7PRC hunting on the Rancho Tres Hijos my son manages, and they really like 'em. Many DRT, one shot kills at 150-200 yds. He's a hard guy to impress and in his line of work he throws a lot of lead downrange and treats rifles like a screwdriver. He's thinking of picking up a 7 RC.

 

[7mm man]

The big selling points are, short action, higher twist rate, beltless case, smaller powder charge, heavier bullets with higher BC, potentially lighter rifles...good velocity retained at long range, less recoil IF you have a brake. Allegedly more accurate due to case design. But a 1/8 twist 7mmRM will do the same performance, just longer action and more powder, belted cartridge. A lot of hunters use 7PRC hunting on the Rancho Tres Hijos my son manages, and they really like 'em. Many DRT, one shot kills at 150-200 yds. He's a hard guy to impress and in his line of work he throws a lot of lead downrange and treats rifles like a screwdriver. He's thinking of picking up a 7 RC.

I don't know what you are saying is in a short action, because it's not the 7 PRC. Better check again.

 

[skipglo]

Hello all. I'm always buying / selling / trading gear & rifles. Always interested in trying something new to tinker. As the rest of you surely have , I now hear constant talk about 7prc being the latest & greatest. I started to do some research to find out for myself. I just can't nail down why a 7prc would in any way really provide a better rifle than 1 of my current 7rm rifles. I'm shooting hornady eldxs and berger vlds. 1 recipe is 168gr berger vld @ 3,094fps av. Have had good luck getting sub moa av groups with both rifles. Someone educate me on what 7prc would do better ? Why are people raging about this 7prc stuff? Thanks in advance for the education. Always cool to hear the wizards come out of the woodwork on here. Cheers

It doesn't....hype!!!

 

[Allen Kitts]

I don't know what you are saying is in a short action, because it's not the 7 PRC. Better check again.

I agree with 7mm man, I do not believe the 7mm PRC is a short action rifle.

 

[GUNNNN]

Hello all. I'm always buying / selling / trading gear & rifles. Always interested in trying something new to tinker. As the rest of you surely have , I now hear constant talk about 7prc being the latest & greatest. I started to do some research to find out for myself. I just can't nail down why a 7prc would in any way really provide a better rifle than 1 of my current 7rm rifles. I'm shooting hornady eldxs and berger vlds. 1 recipe is 168gr berger vld @ 3,094fps av. Have had good luck getting sub moa av groups with both rifles. Someone educate me on what 7prc would do better ? Why are people raging about this 7prc stuff? Thanks in advance for the education. Always cool to hear the wizards come out of the woodwork on here. Cheers

Following

 

[GUNNNN]

Would you mind sharing that video link? Hornady box ammo 175ELD-X 7mm PRC says 3000 fps, not 2800. There are plenty of videos showing less than claimed velocities but 2600-2700 from a 24" barrel is unbelievable.

Back shot did a video too on this same subject

 

[Allen Kitts]

My take on this is that these are cartridges that Hornady is coming up with for the hunter that doesn't want to reload. They want to buy a rifle that will reach out and touch something with good accuracy from factory ammunition. They are for the average Joe hunter who just buys a rifle, gets it set up with a scope and buys his ammo from the LGS. Guys that reload just have another toy to play with that can be very accurate and a lot of fun to shoot. I do not have a 7PRC but it is not because I don't want one, I just haven't found the right pile of gold at the end of the rainbow yet to fund the purchase. To many other things I need more at this time. I have a 6.5 PRC and absolutely love it, but not with factory ammo. I could not get my particular rifle to love either of the Hornady offerings so I started loading for it and now it is one of my favorite rifles. The 7PRC has its place but IMO it is not a replacement for the 7 RM, its just another offering that allows for shooting heavy for caliber bullets without a custom set-up. If your looking for a logical reason to get one you have already lost the battle. You buy guns because you want them not because you need them...........at least that's how I justify the expenditure to myself. My wife thinks differently.

 

[Buckskinner]

Like I tell my wife, "need" is a funny word...

 

[Hard Head]

Like I tell my wife, "need" is a funny word...

My last 7mm Remington Magnum I bought was a Rem. 700, 26 " was a great shooter with reloads, but could not find brass around here ,Gander Mt. was closing and had a big sale on Rem. factory with 150 PSPCT, bought 8 box's for 150,00 for the brass. To my surprise there was extruded powder ,ball powder and spherical powder in all three, No wander there is so much velocity discrepancy, Pete

 

[MostlyUselessLurker]

Back shot did a video too on this same subject

Not sure what "Back shot" is. Care to share a link to a video of that individual shooting a 7PRC with a 24" barrel that's dropping 300-400fps with factory Hornady 175 ELDX ammo? I'd like to watch it.

 

[bmipp67]

Yep, not as advertised. Barrel is a 24" Proof CF. Pic of velocity was through a new barrel. It sped up to 2889 after 100 rounds, but it's still slow. Accuracy was 3/4" @ 100. I can load for it and will be doing so soon. I'd be ****ed if I couldn't load. Marketing burnt a lot of people I bet. I'll be pushing Berger 175s. I have R26, H1000, IMR7828 to try.

That guy is a bumbling idiot and if memory serves me he was shooting it out of a Ruger American. You can hardly expect one of those sewer pipes to get top velocity. Plenty of people are getting as advertised velocity with good barrels and chambers. My 22" Seekins is getting 2935 out of the gate with 175gr ELD-X and that was the first 20 rounds through the gun, the barrel will speed up some too as they always do.

Apparently, not just "sewer pipes" getting lower then advertised velocities. Nice rifles are getting similar results as well

 

[redneckbmxer24]

Apparently, not just "sewer pipes" getting lower then advertised velocities. Nice rifles are getting similar results as well

Cool story, what about my rifle that is a new barrel getting what you'd expect with a 2" shorter barrel than test length with typical velocity losses per inch?