I will agree with the others that say this horse has been beaten to death. I shoot 7MM Weatherby Mag, 7MM Rem Mag, 7MM WSM, 280 Rem, and 7MM 08, and love them all. I have shot and tested the 7MM PRC. Great round but it isn't going to send the 7MM Rem to an early grave. Headspacing off the shoulder makes the PRC a LITTLE EASIER to handload for accuracy, but I don't think it is any more accurate than ANY on the other .284 that I load for. Main reaso to but one "just to have one"
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I read your post wrong I'm sorry. I thought you were saying you have not seen the slow speeds like most people have been
And I was not attacking your reloading skills lol. I Said you have a great barrel cus I've shot a bunch of prcs and have never got close with speeds on there box.. Just saying
Okanogan
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I saw a video a while back of someone comparing 3 different lots of Hornady Precision Hunter ammunition. They broke one round down from three different boxes of ammo and showed what appeared to be three different type/size of powder grains. The powders reportedly looked like RL26, H1000 and Stabil HD. They shot and chrono graphed the three different lots with the kinds of velocity variation you'd expect. Stabil HD was by far the slowest with RL26 the fastest.
I guess it is possible the ammunition came from times with serious powder shortages and Hornady just wanted to sell ammunition. I wish I could find the video and post it. It suggests to me that the wide variation in reported factory ammunition for the 7 PRC maybe the result of the ammo more so than the rifles (excluding barrel length).
In my case, I got a 7 PRC because I didn't have a 7 mm. If I was already set up for 7mm RM and the rifle I liked that wasn't barreled for heavies, I'd have it re-barreled to a tighter twist rather than start over with the 7 PRC.
Within reason, I'm not overly concerned with what is the maximum velocity I can push out of the muzzle. All my hunting rifles with lighter contour barrels seem to shoot better with something below maximum velocity. I'm interested in what velocity my rifle tells me it likes to get 1/2 MOA or better with a good ES/SD. My Seekins Element seems to like the velocities a little under 2900 fps best for the 175 EH.
Allen Lone wolf
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No problem my friend. I've reloaded for so many years I didn't realize the wide inconsistencies of some factory ammo these days until I started trying to use some with this 7mmprc. It could be a powder issue at Hornady but I found through research that others having the same problem found that federal was producing ammo that met their posted velocity or very close. So I tried it and found for me that was true so I bought a case.And I was not attacking your reloading skills lol. I Said you have a great barrel cus I've shot a bunch of prcs and have never got close with speeds on there box.. Just saying
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Just for reference I have two 7mm STW's I built from scratch Identical. Defiance Anti action, MPA BA Ultralight chassis both Proof 26" barrel. I rebarreld one with a 26" carbon Bartlien barrel: now same load in each one is 160 fps faster velocity on the same chronograph. I am getting 3,002 fps out of my Christianson MPA 7 PRC with the factory Hornady 175 ELDx. Yes I got lucky and have a CA that shoots! Barrels can have as much as 100 to 200 fps difference between exact length and brand!!!!
We all get that trust me.. there is a pattern.. Just sayin. Did you buy the different steel bartlien barrel by chance?
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If you wanting speed , you have 28 nos, the 7 Tejas, yes you have all these other 7mm out there, but are they designed to shoot the big heavy bullets ? No they not. The stw is one my favorite but I hear people say it pushes 180 and 195 with the 28.... well I'm from the show me !!
Shootin4fun
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Does anyone here actually NOT reload? To me, hunting with factory ammo would be like hunting with someone else's rifle.
I can NEVER understand WHY,WHY someone who plans a hunt , spends hard earned Rubies on a Hunting, Long Range , Target rifle that they are not a handloader !!! DA HEY BOB . Are you really going hunting with Ammo that is second rate to hand loads that are put together with labor of love for the sake of accuracy, a bullet that does what it is supposed to do, to take an animal with the most humane way possible, with after endless hours of load work up, practicing at the range, and when possible on public land shooting at tires with card board placed in inside with a bulls eye of 6"s rolling down a hill . Its great practice will show you how much you need practice. Also do the math on handloads verses Factory rounds. That my son is why factory loaded manufacturers spend sooo much money on all the hype!! The first thing you'll find out is that your rifle you spent all that money on is just like a lot of the women I grew up around, they either were so finicky that there mood changed from day to day or they could play in the mud come home and ask you what would you like for dinner? What I am saying is that all rifles are a little different in the way they were made. Some shoot all day with a dirty barrel some if your lucky will shoot around 20 or so then need cleaning. And cleaned right. I started handloading in 1959, because My first custom rifle was a 300 Weatherby, I worked in the fields all summer, mowed lawns, cleaned septic tanks with my Grand Pa, saved all my money and had the rifle built ,then started hand loading as Factory Weatherby shells were far to expensive. Most writings are opinions, everybody has one just as everyone has a you no what. Most gun writers that write for a living will never bash a firearm manufacturer, just say that the wind was blowing or a rainy day, but hey ,if you hunt or punch paper there are few perfect days. So what I am going to say is this, if its not broken don't fix it , if you want a new toy do your homework, find out about availability of handloading supplies, do your homework on powder, there is a big difference between H 4198 and H1000. If your getting way more velocity out of your rifle than what factory specs say, please never shoot next to me. I have seen some that someone made mistakes with wrong bullets ,primers or powder charges. As with no toys I think we all LOVE THEM ,but if it uses the same powder, bullet weight and come out of a much shorter case and the same barrel length and is faster than by quite a bit ,do your reading first before buying one, if you still in the want then hand load ,but do it like the book says and do not expect miracles!! The only interesting rifles to me are accurate ones ,one that is easy to shoot and is constantly consistent in its reliability. Keep it and stop reading about all the wants, Pete
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My son will Be using, the TOUGHER, 175 grain, Factory, ELD-X's for any, "Close Range" Elk, shots and out Past, 400 yds,. he will use and "Dial" for his, 180 grain ELD-M Hand loads ( he will carry them in, 2 seperate, Magazines ) the One in Rifle for any "Surprise" CLOSE in Shots being, the X Bullet.
Both Bullets, Print real "Close" to center POI, for Him out to, 300 ish yds. He's Bought several Boxes of the ELD-X ( Same Lot #'s ) So, he's NOT expecting,. ANY issues or, surprise Variations.
The 7 PRC is, a REAL,.. "Winner" with, HIGH BC, 180's going close to, 3,000 FPS,.. "Accurately" !
Both Bullets, Print real "Close" to center POI, for Him out to, 300 ish yds. He's Bought several Boxes of the ELD-X ( Same Lot #'s ) So, he's NOT expecting,. ANY issues or, surprise Variations.
The 7 PRC is, a REAL,.. "Winner" with, HIGH BC, 180's going close to, 3,000 FPS,.. "Accurately" !
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MostlyUselessLurker
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My brother has a Ridgeline in 7 rem mag that shoots 162 ELD X. I know they're out there and the ones that do it are well worth their price.
I'm also aware that different barrels produce different velocities but he was originally claiming 300+ fps drop below box stamped velocity. That's just not something I'm willing to believe.
