6.5 haters

[del2les]

I was simply explaining that 6.5CM introduced a factory offering that was previously unavailable and that's why it's popular. If you wanted to shoot medium game out to 500 and targets out to 1k, your previous best bet was .308. Anyone that can read a ballistic chart without letting their personal biases interfere can see that 6.5CM is the better choice at longer distances because of BC and wind.
Obviously custom rifles and wildcats can far exceed Creedmoor and if I said anything suggesting otherwise, that was not intended.

????

WHY limit the choice to 308? Just so the 6.5CM can shine in a ballistic comparison?

For true LR/ELR hunting purposes, I will stick with my faster and flatter 6.5's.

 

[bultinkle]

Obviously custom rifles and wildcats can far exceed Creedmoor and if I said anything suggesting otherwise, that was not intended.

This is the part that will always be a disconnect to this forum. It is full of hot riders and wildcatters that think in terms of incremental gains and improvements and custom everything.

It's the same as the 7prc. Of course no one here cares when they can take a 28 nosler and un-handicap it with a long bullet. In a Wyatt's box. Hornady is giving simple solutions to normal people that want factory ammo that performs better and incorporates long high bc bullets. It's fantastic for the shooting industry, but it's met with disdain from the people who discovered it and did it the "hard way"

There is nothing wrong with any of the cartridges everyone here will prefer or suggest, but in the end I think it's all bench racing for trying to find what's "better" when in reality it's always just a given bullet at a given impact velocity, and with every 100fps on the same bullet the gains in reality are quite small.

None of the answers are wrong, but for me I chose simplicity, factory support and commonality for my bench. 223, 6.5 creed, 3006, 300win. The choice between 308 and 6.5creed was simple, wind and easespotting shots. As said before if Remington could do their job I'd be in a 260 but they couldn't.

KISS

 

[0002s]

I admittedly and enthusiastically supportive of 6.5PRC and love my Bergara… but to be fair- what's the difference between a 6.5PRC at 400 and a 6.5Creedmoor at 300? I don't think the animals can read the head stamp.

Well in this instance 16 gr less bullet, w/a better constructed bullet and 650 more fps. Dead is dead. How far I have to go to figure that out is a better question. Had any round, w/a well constructed bullet, between 100 gr and 180 gr, going 2400 fps to 3300 fps hit that sheep's heart, the results would have been the same.

So we can always say a well placed shot trumps all. But then it gets down to the O'Connor or Keith camps. The stuff that legendary threads are made from.

For me, I'll always take bigger/faster when I can and let the gods of drift decide my fate.

 

[0002s]

What is your LRX load?

60.5 gr Retumbo / Rem 9 1/2 mag. Seated just off the lands. 5 just under 1" at 100. A 'nothing special' load, but held consistent velocities. It does hit like the fist of an angry god. Similar to my 264 WM, just a tad faster and easier to load.

 

[yogibearmech]

This is the part that will always be a disconnect to this forum. It is full of hot riders and wildcatters that think in terms of incremental gains and improvements and custom everything.

It's the same as the 7prc. Of course no one here cares when they can take a 28 nosler and un-handicap it with a long bullet. In a Wyatt's box. Hornady is giving simple solutions to normal people that want factory ammo that performs better and incorporates long high bc bullets. It's fantastic for the shooting industry, but it's met with disdain from the people who discovered it and did it the "hard way"

There is nothing wrong with any of the cartridges everyone here will prefer or suggest, but in the end I think it's all bench racing for trying to find what's "better" when in reality it's always just a given bullet at a given impact velocity, and with every 100fps on the same bullet the gains in reality are quite small.

None of the answers are wrong, but for me I chose simplicity, factory support and commonality for my bench. 223, 6.5 creed, 3006, 300win. The choice between 308 and 6.5creed was simple, wind and easespotting shots. As said before if Remington could do their job I'd be in a 260 but they couldn't.

KISS

I don't think that there is anything wrong with the forum wether you shoot factory or custom we are all in the same boat. We have just been discussing this cartridge. I prefer to hand load over factory because I know what I put into each round. Factory ammo has gotten better as for QC but I do not trust them for my hunting rounds. I have experienced miss fires and blown primers from premium ammo. Last time at a public range I tried to help and explain to a needmoor shooter about reloading and what he can gain and lose from it. So I help who I can when I can. I do like picking on the needmoor just because of all the hype and beliefs of it being a Elephant stopper or anti aircraft round at a mile.

 

[Darryle]

6.5 Creedmoor [Ultimate Guide]: Military’s New Caliber

Newly adopted by the US military, find out why the 6.5 Creedmoor rocks. We cover ballistics vs the .308, recommended rifles, AR-10 uppers, ammo, and more.

www.pewpewtactical.com

Holeeeeee hell that was an abortion of an article.

That is the kinda crap that makes me not want to admit I own a 6.5 Creedmoor.

But, I own it for its virtues related to how I hunt. The fact it's inherently accurate, easy to shoot and low recoil makes it a great confidence booster for new shooters, not because some keyboard asshats say it's the be all, end all.

I kept a copy of this from Starline, I think it's an informative article to pass on to new shooters wanting to make a decision.

Starline 6.5 Creedmoor PDF

 

[bultinkle]

I don't think that there is anything wrong with the forum wether you shoot factory or custom we are all in the same boat. We have just been discussing this cartridge. I prefer to hand load over factory because I know what I put into each round. Factory ammo has gotten better as for QC but I do not trust them for my hunting rounds. I have experienced miss fires and blown primers from premium ammo. Last time at a public range I tried to help and explain to a needmoor shooter about reloading and what he can gain and lose from it. So I help who I can when I can. I do like picking on the needmoor just because of all the hype and beliefs of it being an Elephant stopper or anti aircraft round at a mile.

That is taking my "issue" comment more literally than it's meant. I meant it more synonymous to "disconnect"

I handload also, I also like to have access to factory ammo when I'm tired and don't feel like it. I have young kids and sometimes I just want to buy a case of ammo and shoot. Usually I just use it as brass for reloading that costs slightly more.

I'm simply saying it makes sense that a forum predominantly of handloaders and extreme pushers doesn't care about many of the "pros" column that hornady designed cartridges offer. I think the disdain for them comes from some of that. Why it's always directed at the manliness or sexuality of the user I do not understand, but I digress.

 

[Barrelnut]

This all started way back when Hornady said the 6.5 Creedmoor had similar trajectory ballistics as the 300 WM, which it does. Unfortunately, the fact that the 300 WM has 60~70% more kinetic energy was kinda lost in the hype.
So new shooters would come to the range with their shiny new 6.5 CM and proclaim that it had ballistics similar to the 300 WM and seasoned belted mag big game shooters said, your full of snot.
It's been a mud slinging match since.

 

[bultinkle]

This all started way back when Hornady said the 6.5 Creedmoor had similar trajectory ballistics as the 300 WM, which it does. Unfortunately, the fact that the 300 WM has 60~70% more kinetic energy was kinda lost in the hype.
So new shooters would come to the range with their shiny new 6.5 CM and proclaim that it had ballistics similar to the 300 WM and seasoned belted mag big game shooters said, your full of snot.
It's been a mud slinging match since.

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and for some reason people still want a bullet that won't open below 2k to kill better than a bullet that upsets at 1700fps because of this magical energy number they've had their head beaten in with.

(This is not to say that a wm can't wax a creed with a proper bullet, just that proper bullets are a given to this crowd while they are not for factory ammo folks, the 215 is my favorite killing bullet, but the average person is shooting a freaking 150 super x)

 

[buzby]

The .260 Rem still has the edge on the 6.5 Creed
Look at the ballistics.
Remington was too late to come out with any factory 1:8 barrels.

1:8 is why the creed is better. The ballistics aren't going to be different enough to matter. The twist rate does make a difference.

 

[buzby]

This all started way back when Hornady said the 6.5 Creedmoor had similar trajectory ballistics as the 300 WM, which it does. Unfortunately, the fact that the 300 WM has 60~70% more kinetic energy was kinda lost in the hype.
So new shooters would come to the range with their shiny new 6.5 CM and proclaim that it had ballistics similar to the 300 WM and seasoned belted mag big game shooters said, your full of snot.
It's been a mud slinging match since.

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I have never seen anyone claim 6.5cm has similar ballistics to 300wm

I have seen more lore about 300wm being practically infallible though

 

[Coyote Shadow Tracker]

1:8 is why the creed is better. The ballistics aren't going to be different enough to matter. The twist rate does make a difference.

I am putting this Post aside from here out, should see post #310.
How is a

1:8 is why the creed is better.

than a 1:8 .260???
Does not make any sense.

 

[h_1ag]

No doubt the needmoor was built for accuracy. I will never take that from it. 6.5's they have always been accurate. The browning has a boss on it. Unfortunately it never caught on like it should have for factory guns and accuracy. Several are using suppressors these days for weight to control barrel whip and spending WAY too much to achieve the same as what the boss produced. It helps with accuracy. The 300 WM has been an inherently accurate round as well. The CA 6.5 PRC I bought my wife loves just about everything its an accurate round itself. The extra velocity on the PRC will give you more hydraulic shock if the bullet holds together enough to mushroom and create a piston. I would not take an elk with it over 400 though. Just seems too small in my book to kill that animal that quickly.

My personal opinion is that the 6.5PRC might be the first or second best cartridge introduced in the last couple decades. But I'll give credit where it's due- the overall design (not just the pointy end diameter) is a Creedmoor XL, and I believe George Gardner even said as much. I love my PRC Bergara and hope to test it against an elk soon. I don't want to be "hype guy", but the numbers at longer ranges (both fps & ftlbs) from my hand loaded 156 bergers are downright absurd and I'm eager to see what it "can't" do.

 

[yogibearmech]

My personal opinion is that the 6.5PRC might be the first or second best cartridge introduced in the last couple decades. But I'll give credit where it's due- the overall design (not just the pointy end diameter) is a Creedmoor XL, and I believe George Gardner even said as much. I love my PRC Bergara and hope to test it against an elk soon. I don't want to be "hype guy", but the numbers at longer ranges (both fps & ftlbs) from my hand loaded 156 bergers are downright absurd and I'm eager to see what it "can't" do.

Hope you see a bull of your dreams! I know CO cut tags this year. Keep wondering how much longer they will leave some of these GMUs OTC . If you get one post results for the PRC! Anxious to see how it does.