6.5 haters

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View attachment 470250This is how 6.5 CM supporters think they look on the internet….

AWESOME
MAKES ME WANT TO GO OUT AND BUY A JGS REAMER IN 6.5 CREED!

 

[3800fps]

maybe I'm glossing over stuff, or I don't get out enough. Or maybe I just don't go to places where the skinny jeans hang out.
Do you have a source for people making outlandish creedmoor claims? If I saw more of this fire feeding, maybe I'd understand the blow back against this cartridge.

22 pages right here….

 

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Good finish for this Post!
Thanks 3800fps!

 

[yogibearmech]

No link- just a screen shot of OL's boilerplate disclaimer. Not hard to find that old article though: (https://www.outdoorlife.com/photos/gallery/hunting/2012/02/shooting-65-creedmoor-african-safari/). I couldn't find any links to purchase a Creedmoor or any Hornady ammo in that article- Just a bunch of dead African animals. So I guess it works.

This guy never touched on the point most people that dislike the needmoor never covered a 1000 yard shot up hill with a 20 mph cross wind. I don't doubt the capability of it killing within a given short range. For example elk like animals at 300 yards. The picture in the article with the water Buffalo is a different rifle false advertising in my book. He never covered what projectile use.

The creedmoor cultist or hype bro is a straw man created by insecure shooters that have an emotional attachment to other chamberings and are looking for an excuse to desperately undercut creedmoor because it's infringing upon their space and displacing their Precious.
I only learned this because I searched long and hard for this guy so that I could indulge in making fun of him and then learned that he's an invisible punching bag created by guys that are upset that they WAY over-invested in custom rifles to mask shortcoming of an antique chambering to make it shoot well and are upset that a noob with a box store gun that has a purpose built chambering now has access to similar levels of accuracy and distance without the investment or effort.

I told you where to find this straw guy you keep claiming doesn't exist. There are plenty of them right outside the South gate of Fort Carson Army Base in Fountain CO at a public range. The have from Ruger Americans all the way to Springfield bolts. There are a few inside the gates of Evraz Steel Mill in Pueblo. I personally see no need for the CM I love magnums. (Yes I can handle the recoil and still shoot well.) Like a lot have said my opinion whether it is right or wrong is it is a good ladies kids starter rifle.
Below is a group I shot at 300 WM no brake so all good with magnums. I don't flinch

 

[del2les]

I would say the answer to that is: action length. Although I do find PRC to be a meaningful improvement over Creed, if the marginal increase in recoil, availability and cost isn't a problem.

I am not sure I follow you. My 260-AI is on the same action length as a 6.5CM, and I load it faster than any 6.5CM, and the 264WM is on a 30-06 standard length with by far superior ballistics to a 6.5CM. Since I have these and like their performance, especially in my handloads, I see no real advantage to the 6.5CM. YMMV

 

[memtb]

SAAMI is one obvious answer.
You can manufacture an antique chambering without the same tolerances. You can't get away with that with a modern chambering. Manufacturers are accountable for producing a rifle that meets more exacting (tighter) standards in chamber dimensions. For example: consider the SAAMI spec of throat diameter on 6.5 Swede (.0053) vs that of CM (.0005). Now could you spend thousands of dollars to have a gunsmith modify a rifle to mask those issues by reaming and installing a new barrel? Of course you could- we've been doing that for decades.
I view it kind of like: my dad's 1977 corvette could be a ten second car… if I dump enough money into making it that fast. Or I can order a C8 for $70k.

Another consideration: we know "inherent accuracy" among cartridges is a real thing, even among hand loaders and custom rifles. You think 6GT, 6PPC, .284 Shehane, etc are/were so widely used in their respective competition leagues if a .243 or a 7Mag were just as accurate and didn't require all the extra work and expense?

The irony of the anti-creedmoor crowd is that they're the real hipsters. Creedmoor is too common and popular and they don't want to be associated with any of those aspects- they'd rather drop thousands to custom build a 6.5x58 and make it get to 3/4MOA so they can turn up their nose at those unrefined losers at the range with their $1,200 Ruger Precision they got from academy, even though it shots a 1/2MOA with shelf ammo.

Obviously…..we haven't met! Or……your crystal ball needs a serious tune-up! memtb

 

[3800fps]

Good finish for this Post!
Thanks 3800fps!

….ya can't say I didn't try…but 6.5 Creedmoor threads are immortal vampire beings that never die…they suck the intellect out otherwise rational men of reason and science leaving their naked egos twisting in the wind like so many broken branches.

 

[blvette75]

This might be true.

The famous & effective BAR (Browning Automatic Rifle) of WWII fame, created towards the end of WWI, had a 6.5X55 version. The funny & peculiar Euro 6.5 bore was blended with the great American portable machine gun. There was fear of German efforts to duplicate captured BARs.

I think a 6.5X55 BAR would be more effective than a .30-06 (US Caliber .30) version, if used with spitzer type bullets. The .30 BAR is a hand full - heavy, strong springs and recoil. The 6.5 CM has military applications.

The only .30 caliber rifle I own is a .300 Win Mag, but I have five 6.5mm rifles that shoot pointy bullets.

Well I have two 6.5 Creedmoors, both shoot lights out, that being said, consider both hunting options. But my primary Elk, ,mule deer rifle is a 300 Win Mag. When I get to do a grizzly I will probably take my 375 Ruger, and same rifle to Africa, will use the .375 for Bison. Have a 338 win mag, if I get a moose tag, secondary elk rifle. I do still have my 300 WM steel receiver BAR not a primary anymore.

 

[Caulder]

Add 300+ FPS to the creed. A few boutique handloading factory offerings. Handloading is a must, but components are available.

Easy and accurate. I regret getting rid of mine.

Why not just go 6.5 PRC? 270+ FPS to the creed, short action, plenty of factory offerings

 

[h_1ag]

I am not sure I follow you. My 260-AI is on the same action length as a 6.5CM, and I load it faster than any 6.5CM, and the 264WM is on a 30-06 standard length with by far superior ballistics to a 6.5CM. Since I have these and like their performance, especially in my handloads, I see no real advantage to the 6.5CM. YMMV

.260-AI is a cool niche chambering, but that's not a commercial cartridge. Sorry I didn't clarify that. I guess if we really wanted to have a ****ing match about the biggest and baddest short action 6.5, people could whip out their 6.5PRC or 6.5 Super Duper Sherman or 6.5WSM. My comments were intended to reflect commercial cartridges.

 

[yogibearmech]

SAAMI is one obvious answer.
You can manufacture an antique chambering without the same tolerances. You can't get away with that with a modern chambering. Manufacturers are accountable for producing a rifle that meets more exacting (tighter) standards in chamber dimensions. For example: consider the SAAMI spec of throat diameter on 6.5 Swede (.0053) vs that of CM (.0005). Now could you spend thousands of dollars to have a gunsmith modify a rifle to mask those issues by reaming and installing a new barrel? Of course you could- we've been doing that for decades.
I view it kind of like: my dad's 1977 corvette could be a ten second car… if I dump enough money into making it that fast. Or I can order a C8 for $70k.

Another consideration: we know "inherent accuracy" among cartridges is a real thing, even among hand loaders and custom rifles. You think 6GT, 6PPC, .284 Shehane, etc are/were so widely used in their respective competition leagues if a .243 or a 7Mag were just as accurate and didn't require all the extra work and expense?

The irony of the anti-creedmoor crowd is that they're the real hipsters. Creedmoor is too common and popular and they don't want to be associated with any of those aspects- they'd rather drop thousands to custom build a 6.5x58 and make it get to 3/4MOA so they can turn up their nose at those unrefined losers at the range with their $1,200 Ruger Precision they got from academy, even though it shots a 1/2MOA with shelf ammo.

Again if you are paying for a custom gun and only getting 3/4 you need to fire you gunsmith. You are comparing a custom made bench round with tight neck tolerances to a ruger percision rifle. NO comparison. Just like every cartridge out there there have been wild catters that change them like the 284 Shehane it is based off the 284 Winchester which is inherently accurate Winchester screwed up when they only promoted it for their lever gun. The hipster with the needmoor and the cheap vortex would be crapping his (how ever they identify) pants against guys with bench rifles at a 1000 yards. SAMMI is minimal specs with slop. Most gunsmiths I have met and worked with keep their tolerances WELL under SAMMI. Their reamers are sharp and they only build and assemble one rifle at a time. Production rifles not so much.

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Here is a link that shows just how bad people love to hype the needmoor.

 

[h_1ag]

This guy never touched on the point most people that dislike the needmoor never covered a 1000 yard shot up hill with a 20 mph cross wind. I don't doubt the capability of it killing within a given short range. For example elk like animals at 300 yards. The picture in the article with the water Buffalo is a different rifle false advertising in my book. He never covered what projectile use.

I told you where to find this straw guy you keep claiming doesn't exist. There are plenty of them right outside the South gate of Fort Carson Army Base in Fountain CO at a public range. The have from Ruger Americans all the way to Springfield bolts. There are a few inside the gates of Evraz Steel Mill in Pueblo. I personally see no need for the CM I love magnums. (Yes I can handle the recoil and still shoot well.) Like a lot have said my opinion whether it is right or wrong is it is a good ladies kids starter rifle.
Below is a group I shot at 300 WM no brake so all good with magnums. I don't flinch

Next time I get out to CO I'll be sure to stop by so that I can meet this rare creature in the wild. I guess they disappeared from the internet after being thoroughly dragged.

You only shoot magnums? In Texas we reserve those for the women and children- good learner chamberings for those with recoil sensitivity. Do you use those because you struggle to handle the recoil of .500 Nitro Express? Is 14.5x114 too stout?

All the guys at our local PRS courses shoot at least .375 CheyTac. .408 for the ones without recoil sensitivity.

 

[yogibearmech]

Next time I get out to CO I'll be sure to stop by so that I can meet this rare creature in the wild. I guess they disappeared from the internet after being thoroughly dragged.

You only shoot magnums? In Texas we reserve those for the women and children- good learner chamberings for those with recoil sensitivity. Do you use those because you struggle to handle the recoil of .500 Nitro Express? Is 14.5x114 too stout?

All the guys at our local PRS courses shoot at least .375 CheyTac. .408 for the ones without recoil sensitivity.

Been to TX a few times, everything is bigger and better out there! Of course there is always that old saying nothing but steers and queers come from TX

 

[Shane Lindsey]

Why not just go 6.5 PRC? 270+ FPS to the creed, short action, plenty of factory offerings

I was just answering his question. That's a fast 6.5 PRC. What is your load for that. Bullet, powder, barrel length?

Probably would go with it myself nowadays as it is everywhere.