In my 308 I can use the 165 game king interchangeably with the 168matchking. I can load both i the mag and not be able to see a difference out to 600. 168 berger vld's however are what I will run when I have varget(I don't at this time) I can run them 2830-2840 with sub-inch 500yd accuracy. The Serrias can be better accuracy wise but not that fast accurately. I have not shot another game bullet out of this 308. I have used the 175smk 178amax and eldm and the 195tmk with great speed and accuracy also. I have some 195's loaded for a long field sit next week so we shall see