30 NOSLER OR 300 PRC

[CMP70306]

Again these are not FACTORY OPTIONS!
Carbon fiber barrels and stocks are not factory. You can build a 300PRC on a Remington action but not buy a factory cambered rifle from remington. You cannot buy a Win, Savage ,Browning, Remington or Ruger other than the RPR and buy box factory ammo and shoot it unless single shot or modifications to the mag box.
The RPR is far from your typical Factory gun.

http://lipseys.com/itemfinder.aspx?type=Rifle&caliber=300+PRC

http://lipseys.com/itemfinder.aspx?type=Rifle&caliber=30+Nosler

They are production rifles made and sold by a major manufacturer, how are they not factory rifles?

As much as I love Winchester the current team is several years behind the curve, they just got around to adding the 6.5 Creedmoor to the Model 70. So we might see the PRC in 5 years but they certainly aren't going to introduce the .30 Nosler to compete with the Win Mag.

Savage, Remington and Ruger do not chamber any rifles in .30 nosler and Browning seems to be about 2 years behind the introductions, they offered the .30 Nosler starting in 2018 and the 6.5 PRC in 2019.

You do realize that Christensen offers .300 PRC factory rifles with steel barrels for roughly $1200 but only offers the .30 Nosler in their $2000+ carbon fiber models so by your statements Christensen shouldn't count for the Nosler.

Nosler certainly isn't going to chamber a direct competitor in their own rifles.

In purely factory factory form the .30 nosler is nothing more than a slightly faster Win Mag held to the exact same configuration limitations of a 3.4 Mag and 10 twist. I had to build a custom in .300 win mag to overcome those limitations in 2015 and the .300 PRC factory ammo today is pretty dang close to the handloads I'm making for my Win Mag.

So as I've said before, if you use factory ammo and it's for normal hunting pick the nosler if it's for long range targets/hunting take the PRC and if it's a custom with hand loaded ammo flip a coin.

 

[L.Sherm]

, if you use factory ammo and it's for normal hunting pick the nosler if it's for long range targets/hunting take the PRC and if it's a custom with hand loaded ammo flip a coin.

This is exactly what I said many post ago, the Nosler fits the bill better than the PRC simply because of mag box length in factory actions without modifications.The 30Nosler is easily 50-100FPS faster with equal freebore and length of barrel handloaded.
Call up Barrett or Christensen and tell them you wanna buy one of there" Factory" guns and see what kind of response you get.

 

[L.Sherm]

Now were talking "production" rifles.

 

[Deleted member 25294]

Now were talking "production" rifles.

Oh my God...
Yes! from a frickin factory
In other words where one has the ability to buy a mass produced rifle.
I think you're spinning your wheels with semantics

 

[gregsjt]

The Ruger RPR is the definition of a factory rifle, it's the same rifle that made the creedmoor so popular. So how is it that it doesn't count?

 

[Nomosendero]

I guess it's time to say Nana Nana Poo Poo !

 

[L.Sherm]

Guess he's wrong too.

 

[CMP70306]

Guess he's wrong too.

I'm not sure what the context is for that post but considering how he helped develop the .300 PRC I doubt he is making the case that the Nosler is better.

 

[L.Sherm]

He is not making the case that the Nosler is better. The saami 300 PRC was never intended for off the shelf rifles because of mag. length. Just like I never said the Nosler was better. Only for off the shelf factory guns in factory form without modifications. Any gun can be produced and called production.
As you can see Dave said for a specific reason.

 

[CMP70306]

He is not making the case that the Nosler is better. The saami 300 PRC was never intended for off the shelf rifles because of mag. length. Just like I never said the Nosler was better. Only for off the shelf factory guns in factory form without modifications. Any gun can be produced and called production.
As you can see Dave said for a specific reason.

I believe you are miss understanding what he is stating there, if you look at the post before that the person states that the OP can't use a standard mag because SAAMI states it is too long at 3.7" COAL. However Dave states that the SAAMI maximum was not for factory rifles and that factory ammo feeds fine from a standard 700 magazine. He then states that a shorter throat can be utilized on such a rifle to reduce the bullet jump. As you can see below the minimum spec is 3.575" COAL

What I believe he is referring too when he states that "Max SAAMI spec was put there for a specific reason and it wasn't for off the shelf factory rifles" is Military rifles such as the Remington M2010 which utilizes magazines which allow for a 3.75" COAL.

 

[gregsjt]

That's the way I read it. Factory 300 PRC ammo will fit in factory magazines. Not sure what else there is to argue about?

 

[WildRose]

I had a RUM and found it to be too much of a good thing. Too much blast, too much recoil, and too much throat erosion.
I rebarreled the rifle and chambered it in 30 Nosler. Currently fooling around with loads that are equivalent to 300WSM - 300 WBY. It was a good change for my use.

I'm sure that a 30PRC would have worked just as well but it was unheard of at the time and I bought a pile of 30 Nosler ammo for less then the brass cost. "If" I ever run out of brass, there is now a supply of ADG available.

That's why I encourage anyone looking at the super magnums to find someone that has one and will let them put a few rounds down range. It's just too much for most shooters, hell, they are too much for most of us!

I started shooting with a 12g with magnum loads and a full choke when I was nine so while I'm not a "tough guy" I learned to accept and handle recoil very young. Fortunately I carry enough meat and table muscle to mitigate quite a bit of recoil too. If you're under 200lbs I don't recommend them.

I've seen too many people though lay out a huge wad of cash on 300 Rum's Rum's and bigger cartridges and all the reloading paraphernalia that goes along with the new rig only to find out pretty quickly it's more than the really need and they don't enjoy shooting them so they are either stuck with it all or take a huge loss selling and replacing it all.

 

[WildRose]

Why??
But why is the RUM gone..
Sorry couldn't resist

Somebody's always gotta throw a turd in the punch bowl just to see what blows up!

 

[Dave Tooley]

Hey guys someone alerted me to this thread. I'm not going to read all the BS. I've heard that some claim that because of what I said they inferred that the Nosler is superior to the PRC. That's cow flop. It's just different. I'll explain.
If you look at SAAMI chamber designs you'll see a wide tolerance for COAL for most cartridges. That's to accommodate a variety of bullet shapes, mag lengths and to appease lawyers. This cartridge was submitted to USSOCOM long before it was anything more than a wildcat for most. It is being used in a variety of systems with varying magazine lengths. As a hunter, competitive shooter and someone who has to answer to his customers here's my take on things. This has nothing to do with velocity. That's a fixed number for each cartridge. Leave that out of the conversation. I know some fan boys are going to disagree with this but whatever. The 300 PRC simply works,runs, functions better in standard magnum actions and detachable mags. It may not seem like much but the increase in diameter up to the Nosler case can strain the geometrical relationship in an 1.350" diameter action. Whether it's in a detachable mag or more so with a standard mag action using a blind magazine, it doesn't matter. If I was building a Nosler I would want an action with feed rails cut to feed a RUM. That's not needed for the 300PRC. If I needed more performance than the 300PRC I'd build a RUM or a 300 Norma. I did build a 300 Norma before the 300 PRC became standardized. As always YMMV