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25-06 vs 6.5 creedmore

"You can do about anything with it you want. Kinda like an 870 shotgun."

Wellll... I had an 870 shotgun for 3 gun competition years ago. It would hopelessly jam if you short-stroked it and that required removing the trigger assembly to UN-jam it! Rem. 870s are overrated.

I sold it and bought a Mossberg 500. It never, ever jammed that way. My Benelli likewise. With either you could load the magazine, chamber and carrier and they would not jam. That's why the Army uses both.

Eric B.
 
Well, i never got on the creedmoor bus, but have a lot of experience with the 260 rem. I have owned and used the 260 and also the 25/06. Both are fine rounds. I can not pick one over the other. I made my longest shot at 390 yards with a 25/06, soo a lot of it depends on which gun you like the most. True 6.5s have more streamlined bullets, but the 06 round will take me as far as i care to shoot. Famous gun writer Bob milek took elk at long range with the 25/06 and the nosler partition bullet. Right now flames are being fanned over the long distance to shoot a 6.5 on game. True they do retain energy at very long distances, but how far should people shoot at game. That is the 10 million dollar question. Will a 6.5 creed take game at long distances, yes it will. This debate over shooting game has, at very long distances to be worked by each individual, and their own skill level
 
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I would think a more equal comparison would be 25/06 to 6.5 PRC .

That way the amount of powder would be closer. And in that case the ballistics would also be much closer.

Eric B.
 
Well, i never got on the creedmoor bus, but have a lot of experience with the 260 rem. I have owned and used the 260 and also the 25/06. Both are fine rounds. I can not pick one over the other. I made my longest shot at 390 yards with a 25/06, soo a lot of it depends on which gun you like the most. True 6.5s have more streamlined bullets, but the 06 round will take me as far as i care to shoot. Famous gun writer Bob milek took elk at long range with the 25/06 and the nosler partition bullet. Right now flames are being fanned over the long distance to shoot a 6.5 on game. True they do retain energy at very long distances, but how far should people shoot at game. That is the 10 million dollar question. Will a 6.5 creed take game at long distances, yes it will. This debate over shooting game has, at very long distances to be worked by each individual, and their own skill level
When a bullet drops below 1000 lbs of energy it is unethical to shoot at anything the size of a deer or larger. The 25-06 shoots flatter and retains more energy out to 500 yards than the 6.5 creedmore. The 25-06 shooting a 115 Berger at 3300 fps is a much better choice than the 6.5 needmore.
 
That's more like 257 Weatherby. Different animal.
I have a 25-06 and that is the speed of my bullet according to my magnetospeed chronograph My best friend has a 25-06 Savage and his cronos approximately 10 to15 fps slower than mine. I know several people with 2506 and those are realistic speeds. My gun will shoot consistent 5 shot groups between 1/4 in 3/8 inch at 100 yards. My friends Savage is a 3/8 to 1/2 lnch gun.
 
I have a 25-06 and that is the speed of my bullet according to my magnetospeed chronograph My best friend has a 25-06 Savage and his cronos approximately 10 to15 fps slower than mine. I know several people with 2506 and those are realistic speeds. My gun will shoot consistent 5 shot groups between 1/4 in 3/8 inch at 100 yards. My friends Savage is a 3/8 to 1/2 lnch gun.
I shoot a sendero SFII 25-06 with 115gr bergers and I am at 3300 FPS too. I was actually shocked when i chronoed it. In fact i thought my chrono was broken and had to borrow another one to confirm. It is one of my favorite guns. It is primarily my daytime coyote gun now (i shoot a sendero sfII in 204 when i am spottlighting), but I shot a decent 5 point elk with it about 5 years ago. One shot and done. I bought my 11 year old son a 6.5 creedmoor and I also have a 260. I wouldn't call either of those fast and flat, I like them for ranges out past 600 yards because of the high BC bullets we shoot in them, but I have taken coyotes with the 25-06 out past 600 yards. Its a sweet round.
 
Hi, I'm new to this forum but wanted to share a hunting experience I had recently. I've owned two 25 WSSM's since 2006. When this cartridge first came out I was enamored with it. Many people didn't see the benefit of a cartridge that basically mirrors the venerable 25-06 Rem.. Although having a lighter rifle and shorter cartridge that nips at the heals of the 25-06 and even beats it in some cases using less powder made me really like this cartridge. When I bought my rifles back in '06 and '07 I started buying brass every time I would see it show up at our local Sportsman's Warehouse. Over the years I've shot both of my rifles a lot, (1 Browning A-bolt Composite Stalker and a Winchester Model 70 Coyote chambered in 25 WSSM) I've almost exclusively hand loaded for these rifles from the beginning. I've experimented with many bullets and many different types of powders. This year I found what I believe to be the ultimate load and bullet combination for the 25 WSSM. I've been on a quest to discover the ultimate load since buying these rifles back in 2006. Using 52 grains of Hodgdon Superformance you can push a 100 grain bullet at 3381 Feet Per Second (See Hodgdon Load data for details). Experimenting with Shooters Calculator, an online calculator I've come to realize that my new load really is the best of all worlds in my Browning A-Bolt. With a 100 Grain Swift Scirocco II bonded bullet and 50 grains of Superformance and standard primers you can achieve 3300 FPS, and in my rifle it shoots sub-MOA. The reason I settled on the 100 grain Swift Scirocco is that it is basically as tough as a Barnes TSX Bullet, and yet it opens more reliably at slower speeds. All while producing a G1 BC of .429 which is slightly less than a Berger 115 Gr. VLD with a G1 BC of .466. Yes the 115 grain Berger VLD has a higher BC, but it can only be pushed to 3100-3150 FPS max in a 25 WSSM. I can push the 100 grain Swift Scirocco to 3381 FPS with almost the same BC and with much lower pressures. Yes, Hodgdon Superformance produces the lowest pressures and fastest velocities in the 25 WSSM. At altitude here in Colorado I can zero my scope 6 inches high at 100 yards and essentially be zeroed at 450 Yards with this load. About a week ago I headed into the woods with my Browning 25 WSSM and was able to shoot a bull elk at 80 yards. I shot this bull through both shoulders at 80 yards (100 grain swift scirocco II under 50 grains of Superformance muzzle velocity 3300 FPS). The bullet passed through both shoulders about mid way up and crushed both lungs, which knocked the bull over almost immediately! This load is not only a great short range choice with blistering velocity, but is neck and neck performance wise with a Berger 115 grain VLD at 3100 FPS all the way out to 750 yards. 750 yards is about where I would limit a good broadside shot too, if I were going to take a long shot, and you'd be pushing it with a 25-06 or 25 WSSM in taking a shot like that. If conditions were perfect I wouldn't hesitate to take a shot like this in the future with this new load. Believe it or not down range energy is almost the same between these 2 loads, than it is with a 115 grain Berger VLD at 3100 FPS. You can't ask for better performance from a bullet than to punch through 2 elk shoulders with a lead core bullet at an impact velocity of 3200 FPS. These 100 grain Swift Scirocco Bullets are the king in any 25 caliber rifle!
 
Hi, I'm new to this forum but wanted to share a hunting experience I had recently. I've owned two 25 WSSM's since 2006. When this cartridge first came out I was enamored with it. Many people didn't see the benefit of a cartridge that basically mirrors the venerable 25-06 Rem.. Although having a lighter rifle and shorter cartridge that nips at the heals of the 25-06 and even beats it in some cases using less powder made me really like this cartridge. When I bought my rifles back in '06 and '07 I started buying brass every time I would see it show up at our local Sportsman's Warehouse. Over the years I've shot both of my rifles a lot, (1 Browning A-bolt Composite Stalker and a Winchester Model 70 Coyote chambered in 25 WSSM) I've almost exclusively hand loaded for these rifles from the beginning. I've experimented with many bullets and many different types of powders. This year I found what I believe to be the ultimate load and bullet combination for the 25 WSSM. I've been on a quest to discover the ultimate load since buying these rifles back in 2006. Using 52 grains of Hodgdon Superformance you can push a 100 grain bullet at 3381 Feet Per Second (See Hodgdon Load data for details). Experimenting with Shooters Calculator, an online calculator I've come to realize that my new load really is the best of all worlds in my Browning A-Bolt. With a 100 Grain Swift Scirocco II bonded bullet and 50 grains of Superformance and standard primers you can achieve 3300 FPS, and in my rifle it shoots sub-MOA. The reason I settled on the 100 grain Swift Scirocco is that it is basically as tough as a Barnes TSX Bullet, and yet it opens more reliably at slower speeds. All while producing a G1 BC of .429 which is slightly less than a Berger 115 Gr. VLD with a G1 BC of .466. Yes the 115 grain Berger VLD has a higher BC, but it can only be pushed to 3100-3150 FPS max in a 25 WSSM. I can push the 100 grain Swift Scirocco to 3381 FPS with almost the same BC and with much lower pressures. Yes, Hodgdon Superformance produces the lowest pressures and fastest velocities in the 25 WSSM. At altitude here in Colorado I can zero my scope 6 inches high at 100 yards and essentially be zeroed at 450 Yards with this load. About a week ago I headed into the woods with my Browning 25 WSSM and was able to shoot a bull elk at 80 yards. I shot this bull through both shoulders at 80 yards (100 grain swift scirocco II under 50 grains of Superformance muzzle velocity 3300 FPS). The bullet passed through both shoulders about mid way up and crushed both lungs, which knocked the bull over almost immediately! This load is not only a great short range choice with blistering velocity, but is neck and neck performance wise with a Berger 115 grain VLD at 3100 FPS all the way out to 750 yards. 750 yards is about where I would limit a good broadside shot too, if I were going to take a long shot, and you'd be pushing it with a 25-06 or 25 WSSM in taking a shot like that. If conditions were perfect I wouldn't hesitate to take a shot like this in the future with this new load. Believe it or not down range energy is almost the same between these 2 loads, than it is with a 115 grain Berger VLD at 3100 FPS. You can't ask for better performance from a bullet than to punch through 2 elk shoulders with a lead core bullet at an impact velocity of 3200 FPS. These 100 grain Swift Scirocco Bullets are the king in any 25 caliber rifle!

For some reason when I was reading your post it reminded me how ****ed I was that hornady's eldx .257 bullet is only offered in 110 gr with a .465 BC. Why didn't they offer it in 120 gr and get the bc up over .50. I am sure there is some sort of good reason for the 110 offering, but this is the biggest drawback of the quarter bore, no real high bc bullets.
 
For some reason when I was reading your post it reminded me how ****ed I was that hornady's eldx .257 bullet is only offered in 110 gr with a .465 BC. Why didn't they offer it in 120 gr and get the bc up over .50. I am sure there is some sort of good reason for the 110 offering, but this is the biggest drawback of the quarter bore, no real high bc bullets.
Agreed, which is why I bought these 100 grain Scirocco II's. The ELD-X is a great bullet. But with a 100 grain bullet with roughly the same BC @ 200-300 feet per second faster there's no need to step up to the 115-120 grain bullets. At all practical ranges the high BC 100 grain bullets shoot flatter and hit just as hard. 3300 FPS with these bullets shoots like a laser. I can't get the VLD's to shoot as accurately either. I lost a bear at 50 yards using the 115 grain Berger, there was no exit wound because the bullet blew up inside the bear. No exit wound, often equals no bear when bear hunting. The Scirocco would've made an exit wound, and at least I would've had a blood trail.
 
A 120 ELD-X would not stabilize in a 10 twist barrel, hene the 110.

And did I read write about the 25 wssm being sighted in 6" high at 100? Seems like that could cause major issues on any shot under 200 yards.b
 
A 120 ELD-X would not stabilize in a 10 twist barrel, hene the 110.

And did I read write about the 25 wssm being sighted in 6" high at 100? Seems like that could cause major issues on any shot under 200 yards.b

My Strelok app shows it would be about 10" high at 200 and 300 yards.
 
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