12GA Rounds for Grizz?

[WildRose]

Agree, copper is harder, but... how big would you say the slug would have to be to give it really great penetration, you know the weight and length dimension... we know that the diameter of the 12ga is .729 inches. I wouldn't think you'd want to expand that slug it would just shorten the penetration in a big animal. I believe Federal had a "solid" copper "no expansion" slug at one time, something like 437grs aka 1oz at 1500 fps and it was a flop if I'm not mistaken. I think nearly all, if not all 12ga copper slugs, other than perhaps some specialty one-off versions are HP and/or expansion of some type... I would think if big "solid" copper slugs were worth the weight and material they'd be more popular. I also think the real money would be in a Teflon bronze sabot slug, but... then ATF might have something to say about that., maybe?
Here's one that might work in brass... see the video.
Also in the video, one of the reasons ATF might jump into any type of real production of super hard slugs, so that's just my thoughts on our conversation, enjoy the video. Cheers

The purpose of solids on dangerous game is to ensure the deepest possible penetration.

I don't even know if they are still made but I used Winchester 1 0z rifled slugs with great success on a few really big old boars and sows (pigs) with most getting a complet passthrough punching about a 1" hole most of the way through. They were a hard lead slug.

Many serious DG hunters and PH's prefer hard led, many more prefer some form of copper or brass solid.

Peregrine makes an expanding DG solid copper slug that's really impressive at velocities exceeding 1800FPS up to around 2800. That's the only expanding DG solid I've used on the biggest and nastiest critters.

 

[436]

The purpose of solids on dangerous game is to ensure the deepest possible penetration.

I don't even know if they are still made but I used Winchester 1 0z rifled slugs with great success on a few really big old boars and sows (pigs) with most getting a complet passthrough punching about a 1" hole most of the way through. They were a hard lead slug.

Many serious DG hunters and PH's prefer hard led, many more prefer some form of copper or brass solid.

Peregrine makes an expanding DG solid copper slug that's really impressive at velocities exceeding 1800FPS up to around 2800. That's the only expanding DG solid I've used on the biggest and nastiest critters.

Yeah, very much agree on large caliber solids for DG "from rifles" at a much higher velocity is a must I'm sure, for reaching those vitals reliably, especially at a difficult angle. Looking at Peregrine Brush Master gives me that warm and fuzzy feeling. Cheers

 

[WildRose]

Yeah, very much agree on large caliber solids for DG "from rifles" at a much higher velocity is a must I'm sure, for reaching those vitals reliably, especially at a difficult angle. Looking at Peregrine Brush Master gives me that warm and fuzzy feeling. Cheers

I'm probably nuts but I'm in the early stages of putting a hunt together in AK for myself, brother, nephew and nephews boss so I've been looking for the right deal on a "bear stopper" in 40-45cal.

Tonight I came across one I might not get to say no too and will be ordering some 400gr Peregrines for it should I, "Pull the Trigger".

 

[memtb]

I'm probably nuts but I'm in the early stages of putting a hunt together in AK for myself, brother, nephew and nephews boss so I've been looking for the right deal on a "bear stopper" in 40-45cal.

Tonight I came across one I might not get to say no too and will be ordering some 400gr Peregrines for it should I, "Pull the Trigger".

Which of the Peregrines are you considering? If it's the Brush Master…..what are the anticipated velocities? memtb

 

[436]

I'm probably nuts but I'm in the early stages of putting a hunt together in AK for myself, brother, nephew and nephews boss so I've been looking for the right deal on a "bear stopper" in 40-45cal.

Tonight I came across one I might not get to say no too and will be ordering some 400gr Peregrines for it should I, "Pull the Trigger".

Sounds like fun, what's your fire stick of choice, cartridge?

 

[G19Jeeper]

Back when I lived in Alaska guys recommended alternating rounds of slug and buck.

Full disclosure: Heard lots of 4th hand stories, but never talked to anyone who actually shot a griz with that combo.

Did talk to a Alaska Fish and Game officer who said that a shotgun was much better than a pistol, but not as good as a rifle. He was the guy responsible for dispatching problem bears so he was in a position to know.

Yeah, I think I'd be packing a bolt gun or lever gun in a cartridge with at least 3k ft lbs of energy. Something handy but powerful.

 

[WildRose]

Sounds like fun, what's your fire stick of choice, cartridge?

I'm looking at a custom Pre 64 Model 70 in .404 Jeffery. I'm heavily considering a wildcat of the 404 using the 375 Ruger case if I get it.

 

[WildRose]

Which of the Peregrines are you considering? If it's the Brush Master…..what are the anticipated velocities? memtb

Yessir. I've shot them in 375 and 416 with great effect.

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Pushed at northwards of 2200fps they hit like a truck with devastating penetration and very controlled expansion.

For something like big bears at close range I can't really think of a better rifle bullet.

 

[436]

I'm looking at a custom Pre 64 Model 70 in .404 Jeffery. I'm heavily considering a wildcat of the 404 using the 375 Ruger case if I get it.

That sounds like a fine choice, I am a big fan of calibers that begin with the number .40 I think Keith had it right all along, just for conversation why not say the 416 Wby Mag other than it's not a wildcat which is fun to play as is the older cartridges for the nostalgia reason? I see where you are going with it, kinda like a .422-458 Win Mag wildcat from the old days makes good sense to me, I like it. Cheers.

 

[WildRose]

That sounds like a fine choice, I am a big fan of calibers that begin with the number .40 I think Keith had it right all along, just for conversation why not say the 416 Wby Mag other than it's not a wildcat which is fun to play as is the older cartridges for the nostalgia reason? I see where you are going with it, kinda like a .422-458 Win Mag wildcat from the old days makes good sense to me, I like it. Cheers.

Just my ever growing passion for the 375 Ruger parent case.

I'm not opposed to the 416 Ruger in an improved version either but I haven't come across one in a Model 70 I like yet.

 

[436]

Just my ever growing passion for the 375 Ruger parent case.

I'm not opposed to the 416 Ruger in an improved version either but I haven't come across one in a Model 70 I like yet.

Yeah, that .416 Ruger out of a Pre-64 M-70 would be sweet, or a Whitworth, I do like the Whitworths, I've owned a couple over the years, and they felt and shot like many of the old Pre-64s I've had, I had one in a .375 H&H that was an absolute tack driver with a 300gr Sierra GK and 235gr Speer SP. Cheers

 

[Mike Matteson]

It looks like the bears are at it again in Wyo. A few people have been attach. One manage to shot himself with a 10mm. I haven't heard anything on the bear. He got off several shot. Don't know if he hit the bear. He did get his leg or foot. I kind of think he got in a hurry. He presently in the hospital now.

 

[436]

It looks like the bears are at it again in Wyo. A few people have been attach. One manage to shot himself with a 10mm. I haven't heard anything on the bear. He got off several shot. Don't know if he hit the bear. He did get his leg or foot. I kind of think he got in a hurry. He presently in the hospital now.

I haven't seen any of the news reports where it named the caliber on my end, where did you find it? Cheer's

 

[Pdvdh]

Maybe better off either a bear bite or two.

It looks like the bears are at it again in Wyo. A few people have been attack. One manage to shoot himself with a 10mm. He got off several shots. He did get his leg or foot.

After the 10mm bounced off the bear?