In my opinion, you'll need to do a few more than just 2 loads to see if it will have benefits. Never mind. Just saw your previous ladder test
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I wonder how it would do in a 257 Weatherby Mag?
Curious - perhaps the powder is too slow for the 175gr LRX in the 300WM. It may be better with the heavier bullets. At this point, it's just a WAG on my part.
tylerthorson95
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*Load Dev was completed at 100 yards*
Alright, I needed to finish the test before posting. I think this is a good powder that didn't quite work with the 175 LRX in my rifle. I will say, I haven't had any powder with the 175 LRX, in my factory Tikka 300 win mag, that has consistently produced 0.5 MOA groups, and I've tried 3 different powders (H4831SC, N565, and Grand). I find the best I can usually do is about 0.75 MOA (on a good day) to 1 MOA with the 175 LRX. I think I'm going to try the 190 LRX with this powder because I have a high affinity for the copper bullets. I haven't tried a different grain size in this rifle, I've only ever shot the 175 LRX in it, so hopefully changing my grain weight can positively impact my accuracy/precision.
I have attached two PDFs of my grouping and velocity data. If you look at the 74.5 grain, group and data, that is why I thought the results were very strange in my previous comment. I think what happened is that I seated the bullets too deep in that group of three, which resulted in overpressure and a significant jump in velocity. After that day, I ended up performing 5 shot groups on the 75.0 grain and 75.5 grain groups. I also moved the seating depth out by about 0.020" (still factory mag length) to prevent any possible overpressure from excessive seating depth. I think moving from a 3 shot group to a 5 shot group shows the importance of larger sample sizes, because you can see 3 shots form 75.5 grs put together a nice little hole, but there were two flyers.
You can see the SD and ES was pretty good with 75.0 grains and 75.5 grains. However, they did not shoot well, so I'm kinda stumped on that, too. I'm not sure what to make of the rest of this data.
Do I think the powder is good? Yeah, I think so and it meters wonderfully.
Do I think this combo worked well in my rifle? Not really.
I also put this and some H4831SC powder right next to each other and burned it. To my eye, it appeared to burn at nearly the exact same intensity for almost the exact same duration.
Hopefully this helps some of you. If any of you have any input on how you conduct load development, let me know. I can always improve on my methods/techniques. It is a learning game and I am still relatively new to this.
Alright, I needed to finish the test before posting. I think this is a good powder that didn't quite work with the 175 LRX in my rifle. I will say, I haven't had any powder with the 175 LRX, in my factory Tikka 300 win mag, that has consistently produced 0.5 MOA groups, and I've tried 3 different powders (H4831SC, N565, and Grand). I find the best I can usually do is about 0.75 MOA (on a good day) to 1 MOA with the 175 LRX. I think I'm going to try the 190 LRX with this powder because I have a high affinity for the copper bullets. I haven't tried a different grain size in this rifle, I've only ever shot the 175 LRX in it, so hopefully changing my grain weight can positively impact my accuracy/precision.
I have attached two PDFs of my grouping and velocity data. If you look at the 74.5 grain, group and data, that is why I thought the results were very strange in my previous comment. I think what happened is that I seated the bullets too deep in that group of three, which resulted in overpressure and a significant jump in velocity. After that day, I ended up performing 5 shot groups on the 75.0 grain and 75.5 grain groups. I also moved the seating depth out by about 0.020" (still factory mag length) to prevent any possible overpressure from excessive seating depth. I think moving from a 3 shot group to a 5 shot group shows the importance of larger sample sizes, because you can see 3 shots form 75.5 grs put together a nice little hole, but there were two flyers.
You can see the SD and ES was pretty good with 75.0 grains and 75.5 grains. However, they did not shoot well, so I'm kinda stumped on that, too. I'm not sure what to make of the rest of this data.
Do I think the powder is good? Yeah, I think so and it meters wonderfully.
Do I think this combo worked well in my rifle? Not really.
I also put this and some H4831SC powder right next to each other and burned it. To my eye, it appeared to burn at nearly the exact same intensity for almost the exact same duration.
Hopefully this helps some of you. If any of you have any input on how you conduct load development, let me know. I can always improve on my methods/techniques. It is a learning game and I am still relatively new to this.
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Thanks for this - I appreciate your willingness to share.
tylerthorson95
Member
You're welcome. I'd love to know how it works out for you.
tylerthorson95
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Ultimate Reloader just put out a video on Grand, and it seems they're doing another soon.
Loaded 5 each 300 PRC rounds with Grand (78 -80 gr in 0.5 gr increments), 203 gr Hammer HHT, once fired Lapua brass and Federal 215M primers. Brass was not filled to capacity but close to shoulder with 80 gr.
Case trim length 2.565
Shoulder bumped .002
Neck inner diameter .305
COL 3.667
0.033 from lands
Will post numbers and groups after range day.
Case trim length 2.565
Shoulder bumped .002
Neck inner diameter .305
COL 3.667
0.033 from lands
Will post numbers and groups after range day.
Grains/Avg FPS/SD/Spread
78/3008.2/6.1/17
78.5/3047.4/9.1/22.7
79/3057.5/2.6/6.9
79.5/3093.8/5.9/16.7
80/3114.1/10.8/32.0
78/3008.2/6.1/17
78.5/3047.4/9.1/22.7
79/3057.5/2.6/6.9
79.5/3093.8/5.9/16.7
80/3114.1/10.8/32.0
tylerthorson95
Member
How'd they group? Any pressure signs?
The 1st & 4th group was about 2 inches. The 2nd was 1.1", third was 0.82", 5th was 1.2". Faint ejector marks on 3rd group, 4th group slightly more pronounced ejector marks and primer a little flattened, 5th round more pronounced ejector marks and bolt marks, flattened primer. (My rifle has always had ejector marks with factory ammo since the first day I shot it. The 5th group was definite pressure signs. I don't plan to load 80 grains again.
As for the grouping, I believe I could've done better but was pressed for time. I'd also like to have my trigger adjusted down to 1.5lbs.
Thinking I'll work some more loads of the 79 grains and vary the crimp. Today's load had the standard Lee crimp, press contact the die then a half turn further. I'll go back to 1/4 turn, then 3/8.
I like Grand. 2.6 standard deviation and 6.9 spread is impressive in my book, and accuracy isn't bad either. I'll keep tinkering and post my results.
Does anyone have a good load for the .300 Win Mag and 220 grain Sierra match, Winchester brass?? These are my primary components. I will be getting some Peterson and Lapua brass in a week. I have H-1000 and Ramshot Grand. 24 pounds of both. I'm only shooting the 220 grain Sierras as I have 1,500 of them in bulk. I have CCI primers and Fed 210 primers. Thanks.
Howdy Eddie
Welcome to LRH
I think that if you started your own thread in the reloading forum you will get the answers that you are looking for.
I have loads for 215 Berger using H-1000.
Hope this helps.
215's are only 5 grains off in weight. I'm just trying to get a good estimate here. I got 1 inch groups with 77 gr of H-1000 but with the Grand, I haven't got anything good.Howdy Eddie
Welcome to LRH
I think that if you started your own thread in the reloading forum you will get the answers that you are looking for.
I have loads for 215 Berger using H-1000.
Hope this helps.
I'm actually under a new email, so I had to start a new membership. I first joined when I was on duty OOD in 2008. That was when I was still active duty. Since I retired in 2015, I have been traveling and back at the .300 Win Mag.
