As previously noted, they are not obligated to share, whether people like it or not. I am sure they know the risks associated with their business decision, and no one is forced to use their product.
Ramshot Grand on quick load?
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assasinator
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lots of great data already. i looked at n570 today. 58.99 a pound. GD glad i bought powders for the 270BEE months ago. prices have DOUBLED.
no new powders for me. got to settle for magpro, retumbo, h1000.
67.00 for imr.
no new powders for me. got to settle for magpro, retumbo, h1000.
67.00 for imr.
Well that's BS. It's not like everyone is out there brewing up batches of gunpowder. And they're not sharing any kind of recipe, only performance aspects of the powder.
They should be willing to support the reloading community.
They are more interested in monopolizing all powder and associated data.
Someone earlier mentioned they no longer use Hogdon powder. That would be great, except that would leave me with VV and Aliant to choose from, and both of them are barely available here locally.
Someone earlier mentioned they no longer use Hogdon powder. That would be great, except that would leave me with VV and Aliant to choose from, and both of them are barely available here locally.
I can do without QL, but not without powders. If you can do without Hodgdon products (or any powder companies) because they do not share their information with QL, go for it - the choice is yours to make and the consequences associated with it.
They do not support the QL, but they still support the reloading community via their website and all the reloading manuals that uses/tests their powders.
It's not about QL, this just happens to be a QL thread. It's about Hogdgen and their actions. I generally enjoy and respect everything you post, but you seem to be defending them a lot here. Let's call a spade a spade. They are monopolizing our access to powder. Every time they buy another brand, price goes up. They say, and everyone seems to believe, that it's shortage and supplier cost increases, or inflation. BS, it's a monopoly. As you imply though, I'll keep buying it until I can't afford to shoot any more. Or until some competition re-enters the market place. But I'll still envy the guy who can shoot only non Hodgdon owned lables!
FireFlyFishing
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If your response is directed to me, you may view my responses as defending them, but I am simply stating their business stance. I understand you do not like it and are entitled to that opinion, but it is not a showstopper for me. I do not know anyone who shoots only Hodgdon-owned powders.
Yes, Sir! It really is that simple.
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Mikecr
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There is not going to be a way to keep up with all the constant remerchandising of powders as we see lately.
The companies are competing with themselves,, a failed business model, that always hurts customers and the business itself.
We need to figure out a procedure to test powders ourselves (locally).
A QL calibration procedure.
It has to be applied locally because our barrels vary in groove/bore area.
The companies are competing with themselves,, a failed business model, that always hurts customers and the business itself.
We need to figure out a procedure to test powders ourselves (locally).
A QL calibration procedure.
It has to be applied locally because our barrels vary in groove/bore area.
It was directed to you. You may view my response as bashing them, but its not. Im simply stating market realities specifically to highlight the fact that no badgering will ever get them to play nice with QL. Its not in their business interest.
It's not a show stopper for me either. Only because it can't be though. Nor do I know anyone who shoots only Hodgdon powder. Nor do I personally know anyone who has the ability to shoot only non-Hodgdon powder. And therein lies my issue.
I've been beating this drum since they bought the Winchester powder brand years ago. People called me crazy then. "There is no way they will be able to monopolize gun powder in the US"... Well, guess what, neither they or Winchester were manufacturers. There was no reason to buy the brand besides market share. It's simple business. Take a look at the snipet I took from their website minutes ago. Every time one of those brands was purchased, price went up and the next brand aquisition was targeted.
I didn't start this thread, nor do I believe it was started to bash the brand. I'm simply participating in the discussion. But I do believe that my participation has run its course. I'll keep banging my drum every time something that sniffs of anti-trust comes along with Hogdons name on it, but for now my point has been made. We can all pretend it's not happening, but it is.
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Who knew that by trying to find out some info on possible load data that my thread would lead to this? Interesting conversation. Yes companies are all out for more business. Unfortunately it is hard to find a business now days that is out to provide a helpful service at a reasonable price. They are all out to line their own pockets.
cdherman
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What really troubles me is that Hodgdon/Winchester/IMR/Ramshot puts out a new product, but FAILS to provide any guidance regarding load data. I have paid the $$ for Hornady load data -- no load data there for Ramshot Grand or Stabill HD. Nothing on Hodgdon site either.
But the product is on shelves. I have 8 lb of Staball HD. And then to insult the end user by saying they do not divulge "proprietary information" about their product.
You sold me the darn stuff. But you cannot provide load data, nor specs so that 3rd parties can make a guess. Just how the HELL am I supposed to use this FERTILIZER......
Internet is hell for companies, I am sure. Back in the day, they probably provided sample powder to the usual suspects and hoped it would arrive in books someday. Now we have ^^this^^ where we talk and roast them. BUT they need to adapt and be honest or their reputation is MUD.
But the product is on shelves. I have 8 lb of Staball HD. And then to insult the end user by saying they do not divulge "proprietary information" about their product.
You sold me the darn stuff. But you cannot provide load data, nor specs so that 3rd parties can make a guess. Just how the HELL am I supposed to use this FERTILIZER......
Internet is hell for companies, I am sure. Back in the day, they probably provided sample powder to the usual suspects and hoped it would arrive in books someday. Now we have ^^this^^ where we talk and roast them. BUT they need to adapt and be honest or their reputation is MUD.
