horse killer
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Might have been a fluke but they have worked for me.
140gr Berger Elite Hunter issue. Anyone experience this?
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horse killer
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I have also shot a bull elk at 450 yards with a 195 Berger that had complete pass through with a half dollar exit
The question is, how do they do on horses?
horse killer
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I am sure they would not work at all. But those thin skin maggots are tougher than most people give them credit for. They also taste like dirt.
I started using 168 gr. Berger VLD's in my 7mm WSM because of the accuracy, high B.C. and price. Back then, they were available, and very reasonable. I load to a relatively low velocity of 2850. That high B.C. translates to more energy at range. I shot a javelina at 200 yards, and was worried there wouldn't be anything left. It worked just fine, through the ribs and no lost meat. If you want a pass through, just use a bullet with a higher sectional density. I've shot two bull elk at 340 yards, and neither went more than 20 feet. Deer, aoudad, antelope, javelina, elk, all die within a few feet. Hard to complain.
I used Barnes bullets for years with great success, but they weren't as accurate as the Bergers and more expensive.
I used Barnes bullets for years with great success, but they weren't as accurate as the Bergers and more expensive.
I think that it is prudent to have ELK bullets, then in another catagory for DEER bullets....just my way of thinking as I have got older and more experienced.
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Maybe you should work on your shooting skills.
Because most of the areas I hunt has antelope, elk, bear, and elk, I always take a rifle setup for the largest game and furthest I am willing and able to humanly harvest.
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Very practical! When I lived in Az, I hunted with an old geezer that shot a 30/06 AI with 200g Partitions, he did it all with that rifle with 300 yd shots and under as a rule.
In the mid-1990s, when I retrained to a new job, I had difficulties understanding what my assigned trainers was trying to convey to me. So, I started writing processes ala for "Idiots" or "dummies" (@Deputy819), then my Flight Chief made me the training program manager - go figure.
I know that there are lots of folks here that do not believe (ignore or confused) in KE and hydrostatic shock, or Berger's bullet information provided by @Outdrmn. I wish I can explain it ala the for "Idiots" or "Dummies" way, but thank God for Nathan Foster' prolific writing and real-world experiences. I think he captured it very well on the article below, esp. on how all the factors are interrelated.
https://www.norma-ammunition.com/en...ted-hunting/ammunition/effective-game-killing
Don't forget part 2 of the article - shot placement.
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That was a great read, and extremely informative. Thank you for posting.In the mid-1990s, when I retrained to a new job, I had difficulties understanding what my assigned trainers was trying to convey to me. So, I started writing processes ala for "Idiots" or "dummies" (@Deputy819), then my Flight Chief made me the training program manager - go figure.
I know that there are lots of folks here that do not believe (ignore or confused) in KE and hydrostatic shock, or Berger's bullet information provided by @Outdrmn. I wish I can explain it ala the for "Idiots" or "Dummies" way, but thank God for Nathan Foster' prolific writing and real-world experiences. I think he captured it very well on the article below, esp. on how all the factors are interrelated.
https://www.norma-ammunition.com/en...ted-hunting/ammunition/effective-game-killing
Don't forget part 2 of the article - shot placement.
VenatusDominus
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Excellent article, thanks for sharing.In the mid-1990s, when I retrained to a new job, I had difficulties understanding what my assigned trainers was trying to convey to me. So, I started writing processes ala for "Idiots" or "dummies" (@Deputy819), then my Flight Chief made me the training program manager - go figure.
I know that there are lots of folks here that do not believe (ignore or confused) in KE and hydrostatic shock, or Berger's bullet information provided by @Outdrmn. I wish I can explain it ala the for "Idiots" or "Dummies" way, but thank God for Nathan Foster' prolific writing and real-world experiences. I think he captured it very well on the article below, esp. on how all the factors are interrelated.
https://www.norma-ammunition.com/en...ted-hunting/ammunition/effective-game-killing
Don't forget part 2 of the article - shot placement.
If you can show me actual evidence of a Berger "blowing up on bone" and not penetrating to the vitals, I will send you a box of 30 caliber Partitions. And I mean actual evidence (necropsy pics, trail cam pics, etc.), not some anecdote or a forum post.
