Bore Tech Eliminator

You were in rice country!
One thing about the older compounds, they WORKED.

Thankfully we have safer alternatives to D and T. Safer to other crops, for certain..not sure about us peoples.?

FireFlyFishing said:

I've found less cleaning of my bores works just fine.
1. It saves time.
2. It saves money.
3. You're exposed to less chemicals over time (if you feel this is an issue).
4. My rifles still shoot great.

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I clean when I get back from the range or when hunting season closes. Once I got over not cleaning I found that it doesn't take much to clean the rifle, especially if the shot count is low. My rifles have always shot great. Idk if they shoot better now that their clean but I'm pretty sure that it doesn't hurt.

Drinking too much water can kill you.

Just wear gloves and vent the area like any other chemical you use.

Phil Rizzo said:

I'm not convinced Glyphosate is a carcinogen.
Bidenobama's EPA and Too Many Attorneys, perhaps?
Since Bayer/ Monsanto isn't domestic, they likely weren't getting any side action.

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Monsanto was domestic before being acquired by Bayer in 2018.

The EPA has never declared glyphosate a carcinogen as far as I can tell.

You ought to know, being in St Louis.!
I guess the plaintiffs attorneys and probably Cali did the declaring

After getting a bore scope, there is the stark realization that what one guy calls "clean' is filthy to another guy. Another reality is that when a guy shoots his barrel til the accuracy falls off, he is probably NEVER going to get the bore down to bare metal ever again.

Clean = Good Enough, till it isn't.

VinceMule said:

After getting a bore scope, there is the stark realization that what one guy calls "clean' is filthy to another guy. Another reality is that when a guy shoots his barrel til the accuracy falls off, he is probably NEVER going to get the bore down to bare metal ever again.

Clean = Good Enough, till it isn't.

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The borescope completely changed my methods and opinion of cleaning. It took a lot of work to get rid of the carbon ring and get back to a visually clean barrel in my 7mm Rem Mag. The first time I ran a patch down the bore that came back clean and then borescoped the barrel was a shocker.

I never got a load for my 7mm Rem Mag that would do this before I started cleaning to "borescope clean". Even at that it's still not 100% clean but it's very close. The load will do 1/4" at 200 yards. Ie. it's repeatable. 3 shot groups. N560. Berger 180 Hybrid. It's a bunch of little things that accumulate to give this kind of result so a lot of times I'm skeptical that that it'll repeat. This one repeats, for now.

I use Hoppes bore foam, that contains monoethanolamine, a chemical found in detergents, cosmetics, & certain injectable medications. Monoethanolamine attacks copper & brass - just what is needed in a bore cleaner, it also acts as an emulsifier by breaking down oil.

I push the depleted foam out with a patch then brush the bore out with a nylon brush dipped in 0-5W motor oil that contains a surfactant. The nylon brushing with the oil loosens remaining deposits that are then suspended in oil then pushed out with more patches. I give the bore a puff of carburetor cleaner & run a patch thru should I need to clean out any remaining oil.

Wearing nitrile gloves is smart & performing cleaning with the carb cleaner is best done outside.

I knew several people who died young from leukemia - they all were into research stuff & used various chems abundantly. They all used acetone as a solvent.

Carbon cannot be dissolved using all sorts of stuff like acids & other chems but metallic fouling can be dissolved & deposits loosened then brushed out.

Never thought about the safety issue. I have been using Bore tech on all my rifles for several years. I'm 72 so if it takes a decade or two to cause cancer I guess i'm OK. That said, it does a great job cleaning the bore so I'm happy with the product.
Read one comment here about leaving it in the bore over night . I thought that was bad for the metal.
When clean I run some Rem oil down the bore followed by dry patch and a clean bore snakes nothing can collect by the bolt or firing pin when stored upright in the safe.

marshalldodge said:

I always wear gloves when cleaning my rifles, and try to use the harsh chemicals outdoors.

My AR is one that I am extra careful with as the gas tube brings whatever is vaporized in the barrel and tube back in your face to breathe.

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But you are not concerned with the compounds in the burned powder and priming compound?

manitou said:

Grilled meat is also supposed to be carcinogenic. Seriously.

In California I believe they have warnings on spring water, oxygen and house plants as being the cause of cancer... Lol

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When I worked customer service at Cabela's I once had a gal at the counter returning some earrings. She pointed out the Prop 65 warning and was appalled that we would sell anything that caused cancer. I initially was going to explain that everything caused cancer in high enough doses and California was full of liberal weenies but I held my tongue for the most part. I processed the return and wondered how she was going to buy most any consumer products again if she was not going to purchase anything with that warning on the packaging.

My experience mimics Mike6158's experience! If you do not own one, get a Teslong bore scope, and see if your favorite snake oil bore solvent is effective. I have every gun cleaning chemical on the market, and also make my own. Some of these solvents are worthless.

I bought/trades many used barrels from my gunsmith friends over the years that were simply fouled to the point where accuracy was lost. With practically no money invested, it was a lifetime learning experience in adapting different methods and techniques in cleaning. How various powders with high heat index burn up 9" of barrel is another subject. If a gunsmith is going to stay in business, he has to charge $90-$120 an hour for shop time, so if you expect a gunsmith to clean your barrel back down to the bare metal, it is cost-effective to install a new barrel.

When a guy has a mindset that he is only going to use patches and plastic brushes to clean, he will have fouling accumulate to the point where accuracy is lost. Iosso and Montana extreme plastic brushes are a game changer in scrubbing.

Many of these overbore cartridges will burn the throat out and carbon up a barrel very quickly, keeping a high-performance race car running to its peak performance takes a little patience and persistence. The Bore scope will teach you.

Wear those cheap rubber gloves when you clean. I should have been dead a long time ago from gun cleaning alone.

Your accuracy requirements for hunting at what distance, shooting a particular size of steel plate, informal or formal benchrest will determine the frequency/method you should be using.

For hunting, 2.5-3.5" groups at 600 is a very realistic goal, for tuned loads in maintained barrels.

Much can be learned by watching "Winning In The Wind" video's....much....

Phil Rizzo said:

You ought to know, being in St Louis.!
I guess the plaintiffs attorneys and probably Cali did the declaring

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Definitely less loss to the area then when InBev acquired AB. They closed down half the main campus in Creve Coeur but expanded the Chesterfield campus. InBev stopped a lot of the things AB was doing and laid off way more people.

baldhunter said:

Agent Orange is 2-4-5T

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Agent Orange was a 50/50 mixture of 2,4-D and 2,4,5-T. There was specifically trace contamination in the triphenoloxyacedticacid in the form of 2,3,7,8-T dioxin - THAT was the actual carcinogen. It was thought at the time that there was 3ppm of dioxin in Agent Orange, but later tests showed continual degradation causing actual levels to be over four times higher, at 13ppm.

2,4,5-T was the only active ingredient in Agent Green and Agent Pink, and those two plus Agent Purple (Orange but using Pink's combination of two types of 2,4,5-T IIRC) were the worst by far. More than ten times the dioxin levels of Agent Orange, and the ones that did the most damage to humans.

All of that detail to say: Agent Orange was the "safer" alternative according to the Government. Hmmm.....

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, because the simplest explanation is that government bureaucrats are stupid.

Russia used pure dioxin to try to assassinate the former president of Ukraine, and oddly enough despite developing several other serious conditions he doesn't have cancer..... yet.