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it went south as it always does when you called it out for what it is as the BS meter pegged and you wanted the brakes pumped! not talking crap or pointing fingers just wanted realistic data proven not hyped numbers.
we all have asked that!!
And still no answer.
Well that should have a devastating affect on my business!
I wish you well Ryan!
Exactly!! and using harder and harder brass to get the velocity you wish is even worse!
And Ive answered it at least a dozen times on LRH.
Why not just purchase Quickdesign program and use it with Quickload? This would get you to the end result with minimal powder burnt.And Ive answered it at least a dozen times on LRH.
THERE IS NO PRESSURE DATA!!
Id be wiling to bet that most of the people on this forum have loaded saami cases above the maunuals.
That includes the gotcha guys
You guys are sure a lot of fun.
Lighten up a little!
I'll stay out of the argument about the new case of Rich's and whether it will or won't meet the numbers he stated and if so at what pressures. But thinking Quick Design and Quickload spit out accurate numbers is not a safe bet. There are multiple inputs that need adjusted to get Quickload to reflect real world data. It will give you a fair guess but isn't the be all end all due to things that can't be accounted for with out tweaking it off of real world data from shooting.
And thats what makes it work. Garbage in garbage out. If the inputs are good or correct the outputs-results will be accurate. I have used QL with pressure testing equipment - Oehler 43 PBL and the results are very close. Trying to determine pressures by reading brass indicators not so much. By the time you see an indicator you are already over pressured in most cases. And backing down a half grain and thinking you are in saami spec safe pressure zone is incorrect.
Exactly!!!! Well said!!!!
We are in agreement that Quickload can be very accurate once adjusted. I too have used various strain gauge systems to determine chamber pressure and pressure under the curve for various rifles and loads. I guess more what I was getting at is there are too many gun and load specific variables that can have an impact on the data for a manufacturer or cartridge designer to base their recommended load data on this software alone.
I usually post the top speed with the best powder to get there with and also recommend that that is not the best place to run it. I, and most others normally run 50-100' below that. The end result is people get more performance than a comparable capacity with lower pressure and better barrel life.
