Why you need to Understand Vista Outdoors and What They Own

[xsn10s]

I get some of the views posted on here but here's another perspective. A company that stands alone has a much tougher time with the logistics of business. This makes them weaker to contend with competition. In this new "world" conglomerates like Vista Outdoors is one way to survive. Heck Vista was part of ATK until they broke off recently. I'm glad that they're still an American company.

 

[HSmithTX]

Look at what Hodgdon owns as a percentage of the powder market........

 

[Idaho Trecker]

This is a little dated but still infuriating!!! I wont say what I really feel about the company. We'll just say I live close enough to one of the companies under the Vista umbrella that I wont say I dont work there.

https://www.bizjournals.com/twincities/news/2021/06/15/vista-outdoor-ceo-christopher-metzs-compensation.html#:~:text=Christopher%20Metz%2C%20the%20CEO%20of,compensation%20was%20roughly%20%243.9%20million.&text=Christopher%20Metz's%20stock%20awards%20increased%20to%20more%20than%20%2410%20million%20alone.

Politics changed the profits and orders being booked but hey I guess if you need to tell yourself you made all of it happen to justify that bonus you have some serious issues.

 

[One horn]

Most of those brands have been under the same umbrella for at least a couple of decades. Blount then ATK, now vista group.

 

[Kimber7man]

I'm paying $40/tankful more for gas every time I fill up. In comparison, another $40 per brick of primers doesn't seem so bad.

 

[cohunt]

I'm paying $40/tankful more for gas every time I fill up. In comparison, another $40 per brick of primers doesn't seem so bad.

Buy a used geo metro commuter car I still get 43 mpg and my tires only cost $35 each

 

[brian11]

Wow - they really own a lion's share of everything, don't they. Motorcycle product lines, too.

 

[manitou]

Kind of scary. If they were ever to fold, be bought out by a foreign entity and crashed, etc it would really put a damper on a big chunk of the outdoors industry.

 

[Petey308]

Look at what Hodgdon owns as a percentage of the powder market........

Hodgdon only owns labels/brand names. They don't own or operate a single smokeless powder factory. They buy in bulk from those facilities and package to the respective Label and resell. Yes, they own more and more labels/names, but they're still essentially just a middleman.

Nothing against that. That's the business model they were born from. I use a ton of their branded powder and I'm glad they make it available.

 

[orkan]

I wish berger or Hornady was buying up companies not Vista outdoors.

You know that berger is owned by Nammo now, right? Nammo is a 7 billion dollar company... vista is a 2.5 billion dollar company. (approximations)

Nammo owns lapua, sk, vihtavouri, and berger... as well as other lesser known entities.

This is a time when you go big, or go home. These giant conglomerates have their fingers into everything.

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[Veteran]

This is a time when you go big, or go home. These giant conglomerates have their fingers into everything.
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Yep, their fingers are into anyone's wallet who wants to reload or shoot.
But instead of 2 fingers in the wallet for $40, they got a whole fist in your pocket, and its full of cash, maybe $170 for a brick of primers or $50 to $55 for lb. of primer.

And if it was just energy cost or supply chain related, or higher commodity prices, it might recede with inflation going down as the FED sends interest rates high enough to break inflation.

But this looks "structural",
ie, monopolistic, pricing power.
Not much competition, so it probably does not recede much or any......unless foreign imports come way up to create competition or some new entrants start making primers here.

Winchester is the only one making primers here they dont already own.....

Bad juju......

 

[Barehandlineman11]

Well there went stone glacier

 

[Earnhardt]

These are the number I want to see...

What percentage of Nammo's and Vista's sales come from reloaders like us?

What percentage of Nammo's and Vista's sales come from loaded ammo for sale to the general public?

What percentage of Nammo's and Vista's sales come from military contracts?

I'm guessing the $ numbers that come from reloader like us, is very small compared to ammo sales to the public, and military contracts

 

[Veteran]

Yes, true, but then the numbers you wanna see are what price they charge the ammo makers and the military for the same component they sell to reloaders......I guarantee you it aint the same price.

And I double guarantee you, Federal, Remington Ammo, do not pay the same price from Federal and CCI, and Remington Primers, you do.

The gouging on components is at the margins to the public, not internal. And I havent seen finished ammo go to $400 a box either.....