I have some difficulty with hornadys theology. They were so desperate in the early stages of the 6.5 creedmoor to get it above the 260 rem speeds that ammo was sent out. And it blew primers. There was a major ammo recall This shows how desperate they are to put their products above others and how disorganized they are. If Joyce Hornady were alive today, he would run the agitators off. This was once a great company that is being ruined with snake oil technology.