dxlbaile
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Using the whole Redding competition set. Body sizer and neck sizer.
What’s happening? 22-250??
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DUSTY NOGGIN
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i dont think the neck of the brass should touch that sliding sleeve at all ??? -- the sized brass shoulder should center up when contacting the on the sleeve shoulder ,holding in center , for the bullet to be pushed straight in
think about all the different bushing sizes for 22 cal , theyd have to make matching sleeves
id take a sized brass , add soot and check for contact with the sleeve completely removed and show pics of any contact
do you have an expander mandrel in that caliber ?? open it up to that diameter add graphite or mica then try a re-seat
i have also had problems with amax w/ 22-250 .. ended up turning the necks down . to overcome that starting pressure
try to use a different angle deburring tool than the boat tail angle , if it matches angle ,it has to overcome all of that angle area all at the same time / i think there is a downside to too deep of a cut while using the steeper angle deburring tools
252-224-1+27 /2 13.5 neck wall , not super thick necks but kinda high ,, thinning these up a little would relieve some of that starting pressure needed
think about all the different bushing sizes for 22 cal , theyd have to make matching sleeves
id take a sized brass , add soot and check for contact with the sleeve completely removed and show pics of any contact
do you have an expander mandrel in that caliber ?? open it up to that diameter add graphite or mica then try a re-seat
i have also had problems with amax w/ 22-250 .. ended up turning the necks down . to overcome that starting pressure
try to use a different angle deburring tool than the boat tail angle , if it matches angle ,it has to overcome all of that angle area all at the same time / i think there is a downside to too deep of a cut while using the steeper angle deburring tools
252-224-1+27 /2 13.5 neck wall , not super thick necks but kinda high ,, thinning these up a little would relieve some of that starting pressure needed
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I'm sorry but i don't see any way this is happening in the seating process. A doughnut is not going to stop the bullet with enough force to let the stem do that nor would to much neck tension. I hope I'm wrong but it seams like a joke. If this is real i hope you figure it out. I'll be watching.
Kinda what I was thinking but didn't wanna throw that stone, I can't see the bullet getting that far up in the stem
dxlbaile
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man I wish it was a joke. Everything oiled and die appears to function but still leaving ring on bullets. Talked with Redding going to send it in . I used graphite in necks and it made no difference.
Been reloading 20 years and never experienced this before.
Been reloading 20 years and never experienced this before.
DUSTY NOGGIN
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the 224 amax bullets are very very soft . i could see that happening .. but not with his stated .001 tension
MagnumManiac
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I still say there is a problem with how the die has been assembled, something is amiss or the sleeve is not sliding the way it should.
I read and re-read the instructions with my own comp seaters.
This is what it says:
"Place the ram in it's uppermost position. Screw the die in place until the threaded die body makes contact with the shellholder. (This will compress the sliding sleeve fully.) Then turn the die counterclockwise until the micrometer graduations are facing you for easy reading. This allows .020-.070 clearance and protrusion of the sleeve."
Now, I have followed this procedure with both Redding and Forster comp seaters, never have I had an issue like the OP. I have had 'rings' formed on bullets from ill fitting stems, but they were cosmetic.
There is a note in the Redding instructions regarding oversized bullets may bind in the bullet guide section of the sleeve.
Cheers.
I read and re-read the instructions with my own comp seaters.
This is what it says:
"Place the ram in it's uppermost position. Screw the die in place until the threaded die body makes contact with the shellholder. (This will compress the sliding sleeve fully.) Then turn the die counterclockwise until the micrometer graduations are facing you for easy reading. This allows .020-.070 clearance and protrusion of the sleeve."
Now, I have followed this procedure with both Redding and Forster comp seaters, never have I had an issue like the OP. I have had 'rings' formed on bullets from ill fitting stems, but they were cosmetic.
There is a note in the Redding instructions regarding oversized bullets may bind in the bullet guide section of the sleeve.
Cheers.
MagnumManiac
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WRONG STEM.
Cheers.
Cheers.
dxlbaile
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So I have literally loaded 5,000 bullets with this set up and never had a problem... I agree something could be binding with the sleeve... for kicks I just put the die in and did just as described above.. No difference .. Still mashing the bullet to get it in.. I took the neck die apart to see if for some crazy reason the bushing was changed, it was the same ole neck bushing .. I guess the fact that it happens even on new brass puts my mind at ease that it isn't just neck tension... something is happening with the stem and sleeve I believe for this to happen... Hopefully Redding will have some answers it is aggravating as Hec...
Thanks for all the ideas ..
Thanks for all the ideas ..
xsn10s
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If you have a VLD chamfer tool give it a whirl. Just for shites and gaggles. Come to think of it I've had that happen with varmint bullets even with RCBS dies. Sorry I didn't think of it sooner. Had a family member in and out of the ER and hospital so I ain't thinking straight.
Orange Dust
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Don't know if I can explain with phone but if sleeveraises up in die ahead of brass it will put bullet in a bind seating. Mine was sticking up in the die and not coming down all the way if it makes any sense
Is the inside of the case mouth chamfered?
