terry werbiski
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Ukrainian sniper kill at 2.36 miles-ballistics?
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squawberryman
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I did it for me. I liked it. I was good at it. I was alive.
They lost you will see. The satanic cabal is done
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shaughn
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Just as an observer from the far international sideline somewhere, the individuals potentially running around with a 50 cal anti thing rifle, 14.5 MM or a 23 MM or whatever some backyard genius cobbled together aren't that big of a problem.
The bigger concern is someone sitting in a carefully sited AFV with excellent optics and an autocannon or resurrected AA gun who decide to use it in the anti personnel role. 40 MM Bofors gun and it's like not so good against jets and so so against missile drones and helicopters....well they do tend to be rather effective against those things that are soft and squishy. Put it on a self propelled platform and use a bit of brains in employment and ouchy.
It's a numbers game, which do you have more of, and what is easier to use. Point and shoot where the weapon system does the work or one where you have to do the work.
For propaganda oh definitely a "sniper" for where the rubber hits the road the AFV or AA system much better.
But that's my opinion, and it's only worth what you paid for it.
The bigger concern is someone sitting in a carefully sited AFV with excellent optics and an autocannon or resurrected AA gun who decide to use it in the anti personnel role. 40 MM Bofors gun and it's like not so good against jets and so so against missile drones and helicopters....well they do tend to be rather effective against those things that are soft and squishy. Put it on a self propelled platform and use a bit of brains in employment and ouchy.
It's a numbers game, which do you have more of, and what is easier to use. Point and shoot where the weapon system does the work or one where you have to do the work.
For propaganda oh definitely a "sniper" for where the rubber hits the road the AFV or AA system much better.
But that's my opinion, and it's only worth what you paid for it.
Trm82
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1000 % correct
12.9 x 108? 12.9 x 14.5? Lotsa dif in initial and ballistics. Pretty iffy info.
wildcat westerner
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Thanks for your various insights, some quite well informed, and thanks for helpng me "fill in the blanks" for the limited information I was given originally.
Using a 750gr A-Max at 3280 (published data for the Lord of the Horizon) approximately 70mils+ of elevation is needed.
Using the Night Force pictured and 30mil of travel (27 useable??) a 40mil base is needed with its corresponding 3000+mil zero (using a 0m calculation vs drop). Minimum-with everything still set on its "edge". You can apply all kinds of combinations of reticle hold, base, dialing etc.. to get to a 2.36mile shot. Or an optic would be required as an adder. From the 3000m value to the 4000m value another 40mil is needed for elevation.
No matter what- what it does show is the importance of long range interdiction. While some might argue the guy "ducked" after the shot, he did appear to move away under his own power- the Russians stopped what they were doing. Stopping the enemy from executing a plan is nearly just as important (if not more) as the kill itself.
Using the Night Force pictured and 30mil of travel (27 useable??) a 40mil base is needed with its corresponding 3000+mil zero (using a 0m calculation vs drop). Minimum-with everything still set on its "edge". You can apply all kinds of combinations of reticle hold, base, dialing etc.. to get to a 2.36mile shot. Or an optic would be required as an adder. From the 3000m value to the 4000m value another 40mil is needed for elevation.
No matter what- what it does show is the importance of long range interdiction. While some might argue the guy "ducked" after the shot, he did appear to move away under his own power- the Russians stopped what they were doing. Stopping the enemy from executing a plan is nearly just as important (if not more) as the kill itself.
Mike Matteson
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Seem like a long shot, and a lot of luck! If you shoot that enough, it's bound to happen. 
It depends on the point of view: what is the goal?
If my goal is to hit a fly at 200m on the first shot (specific impact vs group size)- or a target at 2.36 miles luck arrives. Not hitting the target from the shooters point of view is "unlucky"- but from the targets point of view luck has nothing to do with it.
If my goal is to disrupt an activity: What's that famous saying about the exhilaration of being shot at? At what point of incoming rounds will you stop doing what you are doing.
While highly impractical for shooting the "fly" at 4,5,6, 7000m- effect comes into play. The game of Chicken to be exact or Russian Roulette.
When we shot the 5000yd number we were holding 150yds of windage in a 3mph wind. It took a bunch to locate the shot as wet sand was not exactly "splash" cooperative (the max ord cleared the Sears tower) . Once located the rounds quickly started falling on target. To this day I can't figure out how some rounds missed the 1moa plate. What I do know is that we quickly dropped into a 12ft circle. Back to the Chicken- how long would you hold your position once you realize rounds are falling within 6ft of you. The shot report (17sec) you know is way way out there with no possibility of a return solution. While impractical to hit the 1moa target, a group of shooters could put multiple rounds into the air before the first one arrives. Each shooter plotted against the error. You have to be a "Tough Chicken" to stand there through that.
I calmly drive my lawn mower in if it starts raining (mountain sides are slippery), 750gr rounds dropping on my head is an all out sprint out of the area.
They sound like angry bees arriving...
If my goal is to hit a fly at 200m on the first shot (specific impact vs group size)- or a target at 2.36 miles luck arrives. Not hitting the target from the shooters point of view is "unlucky"- but from the targets point of view luck has nothing to do with it.
If my goal is to disrupt an activity: What's that famous saying about the exhilaration of being shot at? At what point of incoming rounds will you stop doing what you are doing.
While highly impractical for shooting the "fly" at 4,5,6, 7000m- effect comes into play. The game of Chicken to be exact or Russian Roulette.
When we shot the 5000yd number we were holding 150yds of windage in a 3mph wind. It took a bunch to locate the shot as wet sand was not exactly "splash" cooperative (the max ord cleared the Sears tower) . Once located the rounds quickly started falling on target. To this day I can't figure out how some rounds missed the 1moa plate. What I do know is that we quickly dropped into a 12ft circle. Back to the Chicken- how long would you hold your position once you realize rounds are falling within 6ft of you. The shot report (17sec) you know is way way out there with no possibility of a return solution. While impractical to hit the 1moa target, a group of shooters could put multiple rounds into the air before the first one arrives. Each shooter plotted against the error. You have to be a "Tough Chicken" to stand there through that.
I calmly drive my lawn mower in if it starts raining (mountain sides are slippery), 750gr rounds dropping on my head is an all out sprint out of the area.
They sound like angry bees arriving...
Here is their newest invention....reminded me of the 270TH.
Thors Hammer or Horizon's Lord??????
I just read the following article about the new 12.7 x 114HL. Reminded me of "Thors Hammer". LOL They mention some USA bullets in this article. Maybe they need to get some 12.7 Hammer Bullets going? Then they could rename it the 12.7x114HLH (Horizon Lords Hammer). Or maybe the LHH Lords Horizon...
Small Lady
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Here is their newest invention....reminded me of the 270TH.
Thors Hammer or Horizon's Lord??????
I just read the following article about the new 12.7 x 114HL. Reminded me of "Thors Hammer". LOL They mention some USA bullets in this article. Maybe they need to get some 12.7 Hammer Bullets going? Then they could rename it the 12.7x114HLH (Horizon Lords Hammer). Or maybe the LHH Lords Horizon...www.longrangehunting.com
The link doesn't work.
Hmmmm just worked when I clicked on it.
