Texas made monolithic bullets ...

[snox801]

Somebody needs to post a target of a Sherman shooting a Hammer just to calm everyone down!!!

How about some 214 hammers loaded in a .30 Sherman?
They are gonna get sent into a pig at over 1k. That is if the low bc doesn't have it fall to the dirt long before it gets to 1k. Or my rifle give up from 80k psi min of pressure.

 

[WildRose]

Here's what I just got from Mark ...

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That requirement for an 8 twist is going to be a nogo for a whole lot of folks I'm afraid. It does confirm one thing I was thinking though which is that these bullets have an extremely long profile but also must have a very low sectional density because of the cavity and may require some alterations to perform like we'd like them to.

He is catering to the gas gun crowd which generally has a different set of primary factors than we do shooting primarily bolt guns.

 

[snox801]

I started the thread with the best intentions, and there is nothing wrong with it; it's the destructive and unnecessary injects that ruin it. This thread is supposed to be an information sharing about an upcoming bullet, but it turned into another Hammer thread/****ing contest as usual.

Ma. I know some went sideways, but I am not seeing it that way. I love you post these. That being said if the hammers work very well than it is very likely every mono will get compared to hammers. Much like many did with the partition for so long. Just the nature of the beast I guess. I look at it as the hammers are the measuring stick. If one of these new ones can do what hammer does better or with better bc. It will also be known.
As long as it doesn't get into name calling vulgarity it's just good old debate to me.

 

[FEENIX]

That requirement for an 8 twist is going to be a nogo for a whole lot of folks I'm afraid. It does confirm one thing I was thinking though which is that these bullets have an extremely low profile but also must have a very low sectional density because of the cavity and may require some alterations to perform like we'd like them to.

He is catering to the gas gun crowd which generally has a different set of primary factors than we do shooting primarily bolt guns.

I am not sure about their business goal/strategy. I have 1:9" in one of my .30 Cals. and will get a 1:8" when one of the other .30 Cals is due for a re-barrel.

 

[asd9055]

That requirement for an 8 twist is going to be a nogo for a whole lot of folks I'm afraid. It does confirm one thing I was thinking though which is that these bullets have an extremely low profile but also must have a very low sectional density because of the cavity and may require some alterations to perform like we'd like them to.

He is catering to the gas gun crowd which generally has a different set of primary factors than we do shooting primarily bolt guns.

I have a bunch of 30 cal rifles, like 10, but all are 10 twist....

 

[FEENIX]

Ma. I know some went sideways, but I am not seeing it that way. I love you post these. That being said if the hammers work very well than it is very likely every mono will get compared to hammers. Much like many did with the partition for so long. Just the nature of the beast I guess. I look at it as the hammers are the measuring stick. If one of these new ones can do what hammer does better or with better bc. It will also be known.
As long as it doesn't get into name calling vulgarity it's just good old debate to me.

And who made Hammer the standard to compare with? Unlike you, "I" do not look at Hammer as a measuring stick because of its low BC. "I" will be comparing the Apex to the likes of Cayuga, BD2, CBB, Makers, etc. Steve actually helped me decide which route to take in "my" bullet selection for "my" intended purpose.

"I" will, however, will compare Lehigh Defense, GSC, a similar bullet from Maker, Barnes, etc., to Hammer.

 

[WildRose]

I know right? I seriously just signed up because I saw something interesting in the classifieds and jumped on some threads to get enough posts…and here we are. However, just because I am new doesn't mean I am wrong…maybe it was a different Butterbean that started a thread about a 6.5 Creedmoor that was gifted to him by some close friends, including the owner of Hammer Bullets. One of the first threads I read after joining coincidently. Lol

I promise you Beans is one of the straightest shooters you'll ever meet. If what he has to say is affected by any bias he'll be the first one to tell you about it.

 

[asd9055]

One thing that can be said about Steve at Hammer, he understands customer service better than most and always ready to help!

 

[Hard rock]

So BC doesn't help with a bad wind call? I am on the edge of my seat, please expound.

Wrong It's your attitude I'm talking about and your accusations towards a very respected member that's wrong

 

[snox801]

And who made Hammer the standard to compare with? Unlike you, "I" do not look at Hammer as a measuring stick because of its low BC. "I" will be comparing the Apex to the likes of Cayuga, BD2, CBB, Makers, etc. Steve actually helped me decide which route to take in "my" bullet selection for "my" intended purpose.

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"I" will, however, will compare Lehigh Defense, GSC, a similar bullet from Maker, Barnes, etc., to Hammer.

I was talking about how everything turns to something about hammer. Was not intended to be my measure just the fact that hammer won over so many on the site. So every time a new bullet comes out it seems to be a how it stacks against hammer. So it was a general observation of how these threads go.

 

[GSPRunner]

One thing that can be said about Steve at Hammer, he understands customer service better than most and always ready to help!

I promise you Beans is one of the straightest shooters you'll ever meet. If what he has to say is affected by any bias he'll be the first one to tell you about it.

I guess we will see won't we?

I don't have anything bad to say about steve. He was great to work with when I was using his bullets to work up a load.

I am just saying you guys need to stop taking things so personal. A guy posts some info on a new bullet and you hammer boys act like he spit in Steve's face. Its got to stop guys, at what point does this behavior hurts Steve's business more than it helps?

 

[DoneNOut]

I started the thread with the best intentions, and there is nothing wrong with it; it's the destructive and unnecessary injects that ruin it. This thread is supposed to be an information sharing about an upcoming bullet, but it turned into another Hammer thread/****ing contest as usual.

You need to let the Hammer hate go, Bro! I was once told that hate is like holding onto a rattle snake, just gonna hurt you and everyone around you!

 

[WildRose]

Ma. I know some went sideways, but I am not seeing it that way. I love you post these. That being said if the hammers work very well than it is very likely every mono will get compared to hammers. Much like many did with the partition for so long. Just the nature of the beast I guess. I look at it as the hammers are the measuring stick. If one of these new ones can do what hammer does better or with better bc. It will also be known.
As long as it doesn't get into name calling vulgarity it's just good old debate to me.

Hammer has not set the standard for Mono Performance. The owner who is a regular member here did a smart thing and put a whole lot of them in the hands of people here to shoot and discuss so here at LRH there are lots of people shooting and comparing others to them.

He makes a good bullet and stands behind his work and was smart in his marketing but let's not try to make them into something they are not.

 

[WildRose]

I guess we will see won't we?

I don't have anything bad to say about steve. He was great to work with when I was using his bullets to work up a load.

I am just saying you guys need to stop taking things so personal. A guy posts some info on a new bullet and you hammer boys act like he spit in Steve's face. Its got to stop guys, at what point does this behavior hurts Steve's business more than it helps?

We've learned over a quite a long time. You're new and welcome but there's a time to sit back and learn and not cast aspersions.