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[WildRose]

So if I shoot Large North American Game Mammals at less than 500-600 yds with a solid copper bullet from my bolt action hunting rifle I loose my Card Carrying Membership to LRH?
Im saddened !
Then why in the heck did we start this thread. ?

Thankfully no. We've had a number of threads here by guys who put the time and money into a very nice LR rig who then found themselves making 60-200yd shots on their hunt of a lifetime.

Very few people are going to pass a shot at a "best ever" because it isn't out there far enough.

 

[DoneNOut]

So if I shoot Large North American Game Mammals at less than 500-600 yds with a solid copper bullet from my bolt action hunting rifle I loose my Card Carrying Membership to LRH?
Im saddened !
Then why in the heck did we start this thread. ?

No man, you're good! We settled this a while back in a long thread. Long range hunting is all relative to the shooter and equipment used.

 

[snox801]

Growing up and having hunted extensively on the high plains I can tell you this. Speed out to 400yds makes a big difference until you're shooting into a stiff crosswind, then you just "miss faster".

One way or another we gotta learn to read the wind. High BC's will help but if you have a really bad wind call the best BC's or the fastest bullets won't save you.

This I say as a lifelong 17 Rem, 220 Swift, and since they hit the market .204 shooter.

High BC's are like, bigger, heavier bullets, they help make up for small errors but the shooter still has to do their part to achieve success.

I will say though that running 136gr Peregrines at 3400fps through the 6.5LRM sure has made for some interesting shooting even in horrible crosswinds.

I agree but wouldn't a bullet moving 2-300fps faster also have less drift? Not saying bc wouldn't win as I'm well aware of it but I think it always depends on at what distance it prevails and that is properly dependent on the round.

 

[snox801]

And for the record yes reading wind is key no matter what you shoot. I think practice with said bullets also helps. I in fact didn't use my 30 Sherman this year in Co because I was not comfortable with it even though it far outperforms my 6.5 creed. But I knew I could hit things farther out with my creed because I know it well and can make the correct calls. Call it confidence which is really what I have with it so I trust it.

 

[WildRose]

I agree but wouldn't a bullet moving 2-300fps faster also have less drift? Not saying bc wouldn't win as I'm well aware of it but I think it always depends on at what distance it prevails and that is properly dependent on the round.

Velocity is a small part of the BC equation so you're not wrong. It is however a very small part of it which is why BC's change over the course of the flight.

It's different for every bullet but that point seems to be where the velocity begins to decay rapidly along with the increase in how quickly it's dropping.

Someone with a lot better math skills than I can probably explain it, I just know what I've observed over the course of thousands of rounds down range in and across some pretty horrible wind conditions.

 

[ButterBean]

People are "worried" about BC because this is a LONG RANGE HUNTING website...500 yards barely qualifies as medium range. BC will outrun velocity everytime in LR and ELR. Under 500-600 yards, I agree, BC really doesn't make all that much difference. I'd rather run a smaller bullet faster for those ranges and just compensate for a tiny bit more wind drift. But, this is LRH, where guys hunt long range, this isn't 24hr Campfire where guys sit in a heated stand over a food plot all day.

I am perfectly aware of what site we are on, the creator of this site has deemed ELR@ 1000yards plus so 500 yards is long range accordingly

 

[asd9055]

So if I shoot Large North American Game Mammals at less than 500-600 yds with a solid copper bullet from my bolt action hunting rifle I loose my Card Carrying Membership to LRH?
Im saddened !
Then why in the heck did we start this thread. ?

They gave you a card?

 

[Hard rock]

I am perfectly aware of what site we are on, the creator of this site has deemed ELR@ 1000yards plus so 500 yards is long range accordingly

. There wouldn't be 10 percent of the members left on here if you had too prove your shooting skills past 500 yds on game

So gald I went to bed when I did,,,,

I don't agree. He made a statement that I dont totally agree with but I did not see it as a fight. I saw it as having some merit based on his background. I got roughly a similar response form feenix even after stating how I saw benefits to the bullet but finding some of it hard to believe. I've got a lot of respect for both you and feenix Here but even by his own standards he should never try anything but Berger and the high bc they carry. I am a skeptic at heart and admitted that I would take a look at any bullet I think my fit for what I need. But left that thread a little dumbfounded that I shouldn't be able to be a bit skeptical of claims. Same as I was with hammer. It took a long time before I finally tried them. Again I may be off base here Feenix which probably got started by quoting a post I may be should not have and just commented on my thoughts alone. I've been wrong many times in my life and I will gladly own them if my experience changes my opinion. That's all I am trying. To say in these threads is my initial opinion and thoughts nothing more so I'll leave it at this and move forward with productive conversation. Kinda went off the rails in a way I regret

Why is it so difficult to just appreciate the different options out there for bullets? The market is big enough for all of these companies to succeed. [/

 

[snox801]

Some grammar please. Paragraph sentences are hard to filter out the message.

Sorry was middle of the night.
My mother would not be proud. Especially with all the money she spent to send me to college for 12 years.

 

[GSPRunner]

I am perfectly aware of what site we are on, the creator of this site has deemed ELR@ 1000yards plus so 500 yards is long range accordingly

I saw where ELR was defined by Mr Backus, but I can't find where he specifies 500 plus is LR.

 

[GSPRunner]

Do you still need to hold for the wind with your high BC Bullets ???? or do you just disregard the wind altogether ?

Correct me if I am wrong, but a high BC bullet is the best way to mitigate mistakes on wind calls is it not? That is what I was taught anyway…could be fake news, a lot of that going around these days.

Also, didn't you have a thread where the owner of Hammer Bullets gifted you a rifle? Seems like you have a definite bias towards his bullets, and I am not sure how your opinion on any other bullet can have any credibility. I am new to the forum tho, so just an observation.

 

[JMW67]

Here we go

 

[snox801]

Correct me if I am wrong, but a high BC bullet is the best way to mitigate mistakes on wind calls is it not? That is what I was taught anyway…could be fake news, a lot of that going around these days.

Also, didn't you have a thread where the owner of Hammer Bullets gifted you a rifle? Seems like you have a definite bias towards his bullets, and I am not sure how your opinion on any other bullet can have any credibility. I am new to the forum tho, so just an observation.

Well some people can have a live for one product while also know and appreciating another.
As for bc it's not the only way to make up for bad wind call. Speed can also less time of flight less time for wind to move it. Of course that changes as it slows down and only makes up part of the issue. It is also moved easier than a heavy so it all boils down to when, and at what distance the bc starts to take over. I've seen a lot of missed stuff from the wrong drop call just like wind lots of drop can be tough also.

 

[snox801]

Also if you notice bean really only shares his experience with hammers. He doesn't tend to ram bad about other bullets. Just how and why he prefers hammers. Nothing wrong with that. In fact broz always sings praise for Berger and I would take him at his word also. Different strokes and all.