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[Papa762]

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[PBramble]

So my impression that they cut crosses in their pistol bullets to make dum-dums and filled hollow points with mercury isn't correct? Well that just takes the wind outta my sails.

 

[Deleted member 115360]

So my impression that they cut crosses in their pistol bullets to make dum-dums and filled hollow points with mercury isn't correct? Well that just takes the wind outta my sails.

Sir, that was the movie "Jaws". I think you posted in the wrong thread.

Big plastic shark, lots of exaggerated terror, weird 70's beards inspired by the bee-gees.

 

[Wingnut00]

Quite a few years ago I had a good friend that was highway patrol. He asked me to work up a load for his personal AR-10 to use on patrol if needed. I said no way in hell because if he ever had to use that rifle on duty the ammunition would have my name all over it. So….he went straight to one of his higher ups and questioned him. He got it ok'd through the high ups as long as the projectile was a "military" type of bullet and so we agreed on the 175 matchking simply because the military uses that bullet. Obviously he had to qualify with that rifle before he could carry it on duty. That fricken 16" 308 would put 5 rounds in 1-1/2" at three hundred yards! He qualified and his superiors approved him using my ammo. I member they needed muzzle velocities and approximate impact energy at 100 yards.
I was very proud to be making ammo for him that would potentially save his or somebody else's life but always hoped he would never have to use it. He never did and has since retired from the highway patrol.

 

[Recon$$]

Don't doubt your story wingnut but those days have passed in the leo world. We are under a microscope.

 

[Wingnut00]

Don't doubt your story wingnut but those days have passed in the leo world. We are under a microscope.

Yup I understand that. If I was asked to do it again I would not.

 

[schmi015]

I thought I saw a documentary on Marine snipers and their ammo was loaded specifically for them by hand by marines at a US Marine facility. Machine work on the rifles was done at the same facility.

That would be the Precision Weapons Section at Quantico that you're talking about. Nobody can hand load for liability reasons. Police use factory match ammo. Military uses contracts such as lake city/ Winchester or federal under what's known as government owned contractor operated plants. Ammo for snipers has strict requirements for primer, sealants, powder type, charge weight variance and overall lot performance standards. So it's the not the bulk stuff that gets fed to a machine gun where dispersal is actually a good thing.

 

[Bravo 4]

Ammo for snipers has strict requirements for primer, sealants, powder type, charge weight variance and overall lot performance standards. So it's the not the bulk stuff that gets fed to a machine gun where dispersal is actually a good thing.

Not exactly 100% accurate. The ammo we use in the M107 LRSR is just de-linked M2 ammunition.

 

[Deputy819]

The liability for LE is certainly the major issue here…..but also consider this. Hand loaded ammo is specific to the rifle. If I have a "really bad day" in my line of work and need to send some rounds down range (accurately) and "in the heat" I grab up some hand loads laying around that was not specific to my rifle…it may not even function and I'd have no idea where those rounds would land even if it did function…..hence the liability issue.
Can't have that kind of "uncertainty" when the metal meets the meat.

 

[schmi015]

Not exactly 100% accurate. The ammo we use in the M107 LRSR is just de-linked M2 ammunition.

I thought most were using mk211 raufos for that platform because it was more accurate than ball and the payload it carried. I know Canada and Australians were using ammo loaded with 750 Amax in both bolt (McMillan) and semi auto 50's(Barrett).

 

[xsn10s]

Yup I understand that. If I was asked to do it again I would not.

Anyone that did this today would also be brought into a lawsuit if the ammo was deployed, or even had an issue at the range. Since the Highway Patrols are a state agency the scrutiny would be even more institutional.

 

[338 dude]

I'm not a bada$$ in real life, but I play one on TV

I've never been a bad *** either ,but maybe I could stay at a Holiday Inn express tonight and tomorrow would be different!

 

[SnipersDad]

How old is your daughter? John Plaster retired from the army in the 80's. I've never known of an SF team teaching anything longer than about a 1 week, really basic course to civilians, so hardly a "school". I was just reading about his post military career, and it looks like he taught some civilian sniper courses at the gunsite training facility. There's probably a lot I don't know about his past, so please tell us more.

I will certainly research this for you & will answer all your questions. I do know she was sent somewhere for some sort of training (wasn't a full week) with Mr. Plaster & has a signed plaque from him. I'm very proud of her. Thank You

 

[Holycity73]

Don't know if anyone has chimed in on this fact, the ol TL/DR keeps me blind to that, but lawyers prevent this from being common in mil/le rifles.
'There are rules governing everything, even bullets'