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Smokin Fast Hammer Hunter. 28 Nosler N570

I am shooting 177g Hammer Hunters at 3200 fps (RL 33) in my 28 Nosler. It's a load I have worked up specifically for a big bull elk in my future. I'd have no problem using a smaller Hammer projectile, but my 177's shoot bug hole groups and it consistently rings the center of our 600yd gong.
Like many others, I'm so convinced of Hammer's terminal effectiveness I am also becoming an exclusive Hammer shooter.
 
I am shooting 177g Hammer Hunters at 3200 fps (RL 33) in my 28 Nosler. It's a load I have worked up specifically for a big bull elk in my future. I'd have no problem using a smaller Hammer projectile, but my 177's shoot bug hole groups and it consistently rings the center of our 600yd gong.
Like many others, I'm so convinced of Hammer's terminal effectiveness I am also becoming an exclusive Hammer shooter.
I initiall ran the 177's at 3200 also! They just wouldn't consistently stabilize for me right here at sea level. Dropped down to the 169's only for that reason!
 
How fast and light is an interesting question. We have a lot of customers that have been taking this to extremes farther than I ever thought of. Guys have shot big animals with what would be considered very light bullets with stellar results. We all learned to use heavy for caliber bullets for good reason. Go back 20 years ago and there were not a lot of bullets that would survive launches much over 3300 fps and if you could get that kind of vel and had a close range shot there was a good chance of bullet failure on impact with little penetration and a train wreck. The logical solution was heavier bullets to get the vel down and hopefully have enough bullet left after a high vel impact to penetrate deep enough to get to the vitals. Well, we don't have any trouble with either issue. We have not been able to impact a bullet fast enough to get a failure, nor have one not survive a launch.

We are long range guys so it must be said, there is always a break point down range when the slower, heavier, higher bc bullet will pass up the performance of the lighter, faster, lower bc bullet. This has to be looked at on an individual basis and what the goals are for a particular rifle/hunter. Often this break point is farther down range than the individual hunter is wanting to hunt.

So when using a bullet that has no high vel launch or impact issues it is a whole diff world of terminal performance. The Shock of high vel impacts can not be denied. High vel impacts with a Hammer Bullet that rapidly deforms and sheds the nose imparts a shock (not energy) that is simply stunning. Then we still have the same retained weight that will penetrate deep to reach the far side vitals so that you don't have that animal that collapses from the shock but then recovers to jump up and run away due to lack of vital damage to bleed the animal out.

@ButterBean and @farleg (not sure if he is on lrh) have more high vel impact data on animals than anyone else that I know. Some of their data could be considered controversial so if they are willing to share please don't blast them with any self righteous flap. The on animal data that they have gained is valuable and can't be duplicated any other way.
 
How fast and light is an interesting question. We have a lot of customers that have been taking this to extremes farther than I ever thought of. Guys have shot big animals with what would be considered very light bullets with stellar results. We all learned to use heavy for caliber bullets for good reason. Go back 20 years ago and there were not a lot of bullets that would survive launches much over 3300 fps and if you could get that kind of vel and had a close range shot there was a good chance of bullet failure on impact with little penetration and a train wreck. The logical solution was heavier bullets to get the vel down and hopefully have enough bullet left after a high vel impact to penetrate deep enough to get to the vitals. Well, we don't have any trouble with either issue. We have not been able to impact a bullet fast enough to get a failure, nor have one not survive a launch.

We are long range guys so it must be said, there is always a break point down range when the slower, heavier, higher bc bullet will pass up the performance of the lighter, faster, lower bc bullet. This has to be looked at on an individual basis and what the goals are for a particular rifle/hunter. Often this break point is farther down range than the individual hunter is wanting to hunt.

So when using a bullet that has no high vel launch or impact issues it is a whole diff world of terminal performance. The Shock of high vel impacts can not be denied. High vel impacts with a Hammer Bullet that rapidly deforms and sheds the nose imparts a shock (not energy) that is simply stunning. Then we still have the same retained weight that will penetrate deep to reach the far side vitals so that you don't have that animal that collapses from the shock but then recovers to jump up and run away due to lack of vital damage to bleed the animal out.

@ButterBean and @farleg (not sure if he is on lrh) have more high vel impact data on animals than anyone else that I know. Some of their data could be considered controversial so if they are willing to share please don't blast them with any self righteous flap. The on animal data that they have gained is valuable and can't be duplicated any other way.
The results are undeniable
 
How fast and light is an interesting question. We have a lot of customers that have been taking this to extremes farther than I ever thought of. Guys have shot big animals with what would be considered very light bullets with stellar results. We all learned to use heavy for caliber bullets for good reason. Go back 20 years ago and there were not a lot of bullets that would survive launches much over 3300 fps and if you could get that kind of vel and had a close range shot there was a good chance of bullet failure on impact with little penetration and a train wreck. The logical solution was heavier bullets to get the vel down and hopefully have enough bullet left after a high vel impact to penetrate deep enough to get to the vitals. Well, we don't have any trouble with either issue. We have not been able to impact a bullet fast enough to get a failure, nor have one not survive a launch.

We are long range guys so it must be said, there is always a break point down range when the slower, heavier, higher bc bullet will pass up the performance of the lighter, faster, lower bc bullet. This has to be looked at on an individual basis and what the goals are for a particular rifle/hunter. Often this break point is farther down range than the individual hunter is wanting to hunt.

So when using a bullet that has no high vel launch or impact issues it is a whole diff world of terminal performance. The Shock of high vel impacts can not be denied. High vel impacts with a Hammer Bullet that rapidly deforms and sheds the nose imparts a shock (not energy) that is simply stunning. Then we still have the same retained weight that will penetrate deep to reach the far side vitals so that you don't have that animal that collapses from the shock but then recovers to jump up and run away due to lack of vital damage to bleed the animal out.

@ButterBean and @farleg (not sure if he is on lrh) have more high vel impact data on animals than anyone else that I know. Some of their data could be considered controversial so if they are willing to share please don't blast them with any self righteous flap. The on animal data that they have gained is valuable and can't be duplicated any other way.
It seems like 600-700 yards is generally the transition point where the heavy, high BC bullets take over. But the ballistics still give the HH expansion potential out to about 900 yards. They definitely serve a wide purpose of hunting potential!!
 
Was doing a powder charge test out of my .28 nosler with 169gr Hammer Hunters yesterday. I run the 180 VLD's with 85gr. of N570. So for the HH I started at 85gr. and worked my way up to 87gr. in .5gr increments. You can see the consistent velocity increase with each .5gr, topping out at 3300 FPS with 87gr. 78fps increase over 2gr. of powder. Pressure signs were MINIMAL. I'm talking no bolt click or ejector mark (maybe the faintest mark, but still can't really make it out). That is freaking smoking fast for a 7mm 169gr bullet. Could be having some fun with this one! Also, all of the shots from 85.5 to 87 were withing a 1/2". So accuracy shouldn't be an issue.

26" 1-8 twist HCA barrel
ADG Brass
215M
View attachment 265480
 
Was doing a powder charge test out of my .28 nosler with 169gr Hammer Hunters yesterday. I run the 180 VLD's with 85gr. of N570. So for the HH I started at 85gr. and worked my way up to 87gr. in .5gr increments. You can see the consistent velocity increase with each .5gr, topping out at 3300 FPS with 87gr. 78fps increase over 2gr. of powder. Pressure signs were MINIMAL. I'm talking no bolt click or ejector mark (maybe the faintest mark, but still can't really make it out). That is freaking smoking fast for a 7mm 169gr bullet. Could be having some fun with this one! Also, all of the shots from 85.5 to 87 were withing a 1/2". So accuracy shouldn't be an issue.

26" 1-8 twist HCA barrel
ADG Brass
215M
View attachment 265480
 
Despite an old post, the data on the 28 with 169 HH is helpful.. I am trying to make the switch from H1000 to get more speed and think I am there.. I worked up to a similar load out of my 28N with N570 and consistently got up around 3350FPS. Still working on fine tuning the load, but it is acting like it is going to shoot and no real pressure issues yet, but it was cool out.. Any one have an opinion on how temp sensitive N570 is? I do not have much experience with this powder.
 
Despite an old post, the data on the 28 with 169 HH is helpful.. I am trying to make the switch from H1000 to get more speed and think I am there.. I worked up to a similar load out of my 28N with N570 and consistently got up around 3350FPS. Still working on fine tuning the load, but it is acting like it is going to shoot and no real pressure issues yet, but it was cool out.. Any one have an opinion on how temp sensitive N570 is? I do not have much experience with this powder.
It's not super temp sensitive. Great powder for hunting.
 
Agree I have 2 of those barrels 😂😂😂
Thats cranking for 195's.. I am at 87 gr and close to 3400 with the 170 HHT's.. Fast enough! Impressed with N570 so far.. I have used H1000 with 175 ELDX's, and they are extremely accurate, but slow.. About 3100, but i have not pushed it.. It seems like everyone loves R33, but no luck finding it.. N570 seems close..
 
Not comparing 28 Nosler but a week ago I did a test with same load in 300 wm and 257 Weatherby. Comparing 180 gr. HH with 182 HHT and 95 gr.. HHT and 100 gr. Barnes 100 TTSX. In the 257 I had 3716 fps and 3689 fps with same load of 72.0 grs. RKL26. Accuracy erorakedvlidev
 
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