Scythe issues?

[Tgunz64]

I'm "guessing" you'll be ok at 24". There's a big difference in that last 4". I can't recall seeing one on that long of a barrel, but if you're worried you can skim the data. Folks are listing barrel length and rounds fired. It's pretty helpful.

Ya I noticed that. But still for a can listed as no barrel restrictions and they're blowing up with 20-22" barrels is a little ridiculous. Obviously they'll have to address this and change the rating with restrictions. I was honestly trying to figure out how they didn't have restrictions being titanium. And rated up to 300RUM for that matter.

 

[tysonmax]

Were you one of the guys on the Rokslide thread? With what you said it sounds like one of the failure stories mentioned there.

No, it wasn't me but I did see that as well. There was a thread on the Evo last year that I posted pics in... #28

 

[Tgunz64]

So I went on the Silencerco site and did online chat. Asked about the weld fail issues and if it was becoming a common issue. Here's the rest of the short conversation:

SC: We've seen it happen but it is not a manufacturing issue. Most cases are people straying away from barrel length requirements or getting the silencer too hot on prior range trips by going beyond the recommended firing schedule which can weaken the titanium


SC: One example is someone running it on an AR-15 and mag dumping, then putting it on a high pressure rifle such as a 300 WM right after


ME: Ok. But what is the barrel length recommendation for a 300 PRC? It says no restrictions. I'll never shoot a magnum through it 20" and under anyway.

SC: You'll be perfectly good to go with a 20"

ME: ok thank you.

 

[tahoe1305]

So I went on the Silencerco site and did online chat. Asked about the weld fail issues and if it was becoming a common issue. Here's the rest of the short conversation:

SC: We've seen it happen but it is not a manufacturing issue. Most cases are people straying away from barrel length requirements or getting the silencer too hot on prior range trips by going beyond the recommended firing schedule which can weaken the titanium


SC: One example is someone running it on an AR-15 and mag dumping, then putting it on a high pressure rifle such as a 300 WM right after


ME: Ok. But what is the barrel length recommendation for a 300 PRC? It says no restrictions. I'll never shoot a magnum through it 20" and under anyway.

SC: You'll be perfectly good to go with a 20"

ME: ok thank you.

That's nuts. I sent an email last month outlining the number of failures on RS and was just trying to be cool and give them a chance to speak up on the forum. They said they acknowledged the failures but it wasn't an issue and they held to the no barrel length restrictions. The following week they sent an email to all about how great it was to have a Ti can without restriction….so they aren't backing down.

It's silly but there are processes to fix things like this.

 

[Muddybuddy]

What's amazing is that people on RS and here are still buying them! 1 dropped scope on rokslide and the whole company is blackballed, but can after can blowing up is a non issue and talk about great CS!

Free plug for TBAC while we're at it…

 

[Tgunz64]

What's amazing is that people on RS and here are still buying them! 1 dropped scope on rokslide and the whole company is blackballed, but can after can blowing up is a non issue and talk about great CS!

Free plug for TBAC while we're at it…

I own An Ultra 7 .264 Gen 1. It's great. Had I saw this thread with the issues I would have probably went with an Ultra 5, 7 or Nomad XC. But it was too late to do anything about it now. So hopefully it'll be fine.

 

[Axl]

What's amazing is that people on RS and here are still buying them! 1 dropped scope on rokslide and the whole company is blackballed, but can after can blowing up is a non issue and talk about great CS!

Free plug for TBAC while we're at it…

I only see 1 on here and 10 on that thread posted. So is that can after can blowing up? The company said they sell over 1000 per month, and have less than 1% with any trouble. Don't know if its true or not. But 11 people on 2 busy hunting forums is nothing. People with no issues are not going to post often, people that paid $1300+ and had in blow, will post loud and proud.

I have had mine over a year, and it has several thousand rounds through it without issues. But not much I can do about it, except keep shooting it.

 

[snox801]

That's what is making me nervous. One of the main guns I want it for is a 300prc. 24". For me the suppressor checked the boxes. Mainly being short. But at only 6.1" including a brake I thought it would be a great fit to keeping a longer barreled rifle a little shorter with a can vs my nomad LTi. And it is advertised as No barrel restrictions. So I figured great no worries with anything I'll shoot through it. But apparently it might not be the case. Wish I would have seen all of these before ordering. Seems the issues are random no matter the serial number. Hoping it was the case with earlier ones but from the thread it's all over. My serial is 18xxx. Fingers crossed I got a good one.

I've got a decent amount of rounds though my 26" 30sherman "300prc improved" and it been fine. So 24" none improved should be good. It's my favorite can

 

[tahoe1305]

I only see 1 on here and 10 on that thread posted. So is that can after can blowing up? The company said they sell over 1000 per month, and have less than 1% with any trouble. Don't know if its true or not. But 11 people on 2 busy hunting forums is nothing. People with no issues are not going to post often, people that paid $1300+ and had in blow, will post loud and proud.

I have had mine over a year, and it has several thousand rounds through it without issues. But not much I can do about it, except keep shooting it.

I disagree with this a bit. I don't think "we" on these two forums are average folks. We push the limits of our gear and many have cut barrels or custom barrels that are 20" and under in magnum configs (where nearly all 11 of the known failures are). 9% of folks reporting is telling, even if its only 1% of total sold, especially when they are denying anything is wrong and there is clearly a relationship with bolt action (not Autos) and barrel length.

I can't think of many main stream factory magnum rifles with short barrels (the masses own these).

The issue is the denying that there are barrel length restrictions and a few folks have reported getting mildly hurt (apparently the recoil when it shears is substantial).

I agree there are likely thousands of folks with no issues. But those on these forums that are buying to put on short barrels are the ones who need to be concerned.

FWIW I haven't had any issues with a 20" 7 wsm but I'm a tad surprised at this point. That seems to be the magic breaking point.

Edit: a few of the folks that are getting them back repaired are braving shooting them on short magnums again to see if it's a weld QC problem or a false advertising issue…will be interesting.

 

[Muddybuddy]

I only see 1 on here and 10 on that thread posted. So is that can after can blowing up? The company said they sell over 1000 per month, and have less than 1% with any trouble. Don't know if its true or not. But 11 people on 2 busy hunting forums is nothing. People with no issues are not going to post often, people that paid $1300+ and had in blow, will post loud and proud.

I have had mine over a year, and it has several thousand rounds through it without issues. But not much I can do about it, except keep shooting it.

Yeah but there aren't 1000s of suppressors on rokslide. The failure rate is way over 1%. I know this might be hard for you to understand, but maybe, just maybe, the company is trying to downplay the failures.