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Savage 111 LRH 6.5-284 Loading Questions
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Sweet rifle!!! and nice shooting both of you. need to work on my 140 berger loads now. looks like i will have to try some retumbo.
ShootnMathews
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Looks great Brent. Very nice group indeed. Did you shoot the old barrel out? This week I'm going to start load development from scratch with the Berger and retumbo. See if I can find a load with a good jump seating depth.
BrentM
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ShootnMathews
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Shot a few times today with the Nosler loads. I estimated the loads before at 2650. I shot at 500 a few times, first time with the Nosler load. Took me 3 shots to get on target. I was shooting high. Shooter recalculated the velocity at 2750. On the 4 and 5 shot I broke two clay pigeons at 500. I then road out and set up a gong at 800 but the fog rolled in and we couldn't see it to shoot it.
BrentM
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Had a weird 1 yesterday. Put my old barrel on a short action I had set up as a 204 and threw together some test loads at56.5 grains. Seating depth test put the bullets in the same hole @ .115. I set this rifle up for my brother to use at the vortex challenge. He has never shot long range so it was training day and time well spent with him. After we set the short action up we switched to my new build and he shot clays a little ballons from 450 to 575 and a rock at 975. Good times.
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ShootnMathews
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Sounds like a good day. Weird that the seating depth put them all in one hole. Seems to me the seating depth is usually the hardest part to lick. Or maybe I just go at it the wrong way.
BrentM
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You think it is weird seating depth did that? Seating depth is generally accepted as the tuning process. Powder charge does affect the accuracy of course too, as well, as whole bunch of other factors but seating depth can and usually is the single most critical part of the process that tightens things up.
Having said all that I am using Nosler brass on this latest build and after fire forming the brass to the new chamber I found some inconsistent results and noticed a bit of pressure signs vs unfired new nosler brass. What I found with all of my 6.5-284's so far is that they all seem to like a little bit of pressure to really get things cooking. I don't really understand it. If I use a magnum primer I get a little flattening of the primer and little heavier bolt lift, but the bullets are accurate. If I back off .5 grains and pressure goes away I can not seem to get back the same 1 hole accuracy. Bump it all back up and it all tightens up again. I played with .005 seating depth yesterday and shot some same hole groups at 200 yards. I am beginning to wonder if this nosler brass is a bit weaker than Lapau and shows pressure earlier.
Having said all that I am using Nosler brass on this latest build and after fire forming the brass to the new chamber I found some inconsistent results and noticed a bit of pressure signs vs unfired new nosler brass. What I found with all of my 6.5-284's so far is that they all seem to like a little bit of pressure to really get things cooking. I don't really understand it. If I use a magnum primer I get a little flattening of the primer and little heavier bolt lift, but the bullets are accurate. If I back off .5 grains and pressure goes away I can not seem to get back the same 1 hole accuracy. Bump it all back up and it all tightens up again. I played with .005 seating depth yesterday and shot some same hole groups at 200 yards. I am beginning to wonder if this nosler brass is a bit weaker than Lapau and shows pressure earlier.
ShootnMathews
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I've got a quick question. When do you stop using your 6.5-284 brass? I've read where some of you talk about loose primers. Do you retire the brass a piece at a time as the primer physically will not stay in anymore or when it gets easy to push in? After the pocket gets loose can you tighten them up with something? Or just seal hem with something to hold the primers in until the neck wears out?
I'm just curious here. $1.50 per brass is kinda high to just keep throwing it away. I'm on about 7 loadings. Lost track over time now, but I'm starting to get loose pockets on a dozen or so pieces. The primers don't fall out but I can seat them with my finger. Probably wont stay in after this firing.
I'm just curious here. $1.50 per brass is kinda high to just keep throwing it away. I'm on about 7 loadings. Lost track over time now, but I'm starting to get loose pockets on a dozen or so pieces. The primers don't fall out but I can seat them with my finger. Probably wont stay in after this firing.
I anneal at. 5 or 6 loads then toss them at 10-12 .i use 1 or 2x for my serious hunting loads. I haven't had loose primer pockets with my. 6,5x 284 Lapua or Norma brass.
BrentM
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I am reusing some old brass with 10 to 13 reloads. Primers on some are getting loose. I have had brass go bad at 7 to 8 due to higher pressures.
ShootnMathews
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That must be my problem. As fast as those bergers were shooting out of mine he pressure had to be there.
ShootnMathews
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Shot some yesterday. Tried to load work the bergers again. Maybe my primer pockets are not loose. Maybe it was the primers I was using. I'm getting low on the S&B primers so I decided to use up some of the Remington primers I have. The Remington primers were so tight I had to use both hands to seat them.
I think this gun will just not jump the bergers. I seated them at .075 jump and did a ladder test and the loaded some groups. It will put two together and one off of every group almost. Had one that grouped about an inch at 250 yards. Loaded another group exactly like it and the first shot stacked right in the middle of the first group (shot same dot) and then the other two landed 3" away from that group and an inch from each other. I guess I will just have to stay with these slow Noslers until I rebarrel it. Unless you all have any other ideas.
I think this gun will just not jump the bergers. I seated them at .075 jump and did a ladder test and the loaded some groups. It will put two together and one off of every group almost. Had one that grouped about an inch at 250 yards. Loaded another group exactly like it and the first shot stacked right in the middle of the first group (shot same dot) and then the other two landed 3" away from that group and an inch from each other. I guess I will just have to stay with these slow Noslers until I rebarrel it. Unless you all have any other ideas.
ShootnMathews
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I have one more hought on what could be causing he bergers to shoot weird in his gun. You guys who are having great success can tell me if this will cause my problem. Normally on my guns i will neck size and full lngth size every 3 loading to bump shoulders back. My LRH has a very tight chamber. So tight in fact that if I measure a fired case on a headspace comparator, the full length size it and cam over hard to make sure it was sized completely. The headspace will measure the same. I notice while chambering cases that some fit tighter than others. So being that I'm not bumping the shoulders because the chamber is so tight and some fit tighter on closing. I know this can cause pressure differences. Do you think it could cause the erratic behavior of my bergers???
