Remington Long Range 5R... Have I lost my mind?

[Greyfox]

Thanks Wildrose. You are absolutely right about the shooting skill part. I takes a complete mental commitment, and lots of time and practice to confidently make those long shots. Technology and equipment makes it easier but it can never be a substitute for the basic skills. While I do a lot of range and competitive shooting, I find field shooting at random targets like rocks far better at simulating a hunting environment. Even then, when the target becomes a living, unpredictable animal where a single shot must be placed in an exact spot, the demands are raised to a whole new level. This is what makes this sport so captivating.

 

[WildRose]

Thanks Wildrose. You are absolutely right about the shooting skill part. I takes a complete mental commitment, and lots of time and practice to confidently make those long shots. Technology and equipment makes it easier but it can never be a substitute for the basic skills. While I do a lot of range and competitive shooting, I find field shooting at random targets like rocks far better at simulating a hunting environment. Even then, when the target becomes a living, unpredictable animal where a single shot must be placed in an exact spot, the demands are raised to a whole new level. This is what makes this sport so captivating.

I'd have to simply say that I'm in complete agreement with every point you've made there.

Rocks are a wonderful thing and I hate to think of all the dollars I've run through making big ones into littler, and littler ones with bullets over the years.

I find rock shooting to be fantastic for range estimation and wind calls and hey, there's no way to be the price of them!

When I was sixteen and we were preparing for my brother's wedding he had college buddies flying in from all over the country having started his education in Missouri at a small Lutheran college and moved then to SW OK State for Pharmacy school.

We were trying to show them all a good time and I suggested we take them out to one of the local prairie dog towns for a little dose of redneck fun.

After a couple of hours and no hits one of them suggested I put my money where my mouth was and show them how it's done to which I replied something along the lines of "You got it".

Using an open sight 700bdl 7mm Rem I managed to kill one on the first shot at a measured 425yds. None of them believed I actually hit it so we paced it off and sure enough there were enough fresh pieces of PD right where we all saw him standing to convince them that the "kid" had actually done it.

Of course I immediately put the rifle away and made an excuse to head back to town citing time for chores because I knew that it was a shot I probably could not replicate if I tried for the rest of the day. It wasn't quite all "pure luck" as I shot at that dog town regularly but it was by far the longest open sight shot I'd ever made and from that moment on I have been addicted to the LRH game. That day has cost me tens of thousands of dollars over the following four decades but it's been a whole lot of fun!

Now you know why when greeting new posters here I usually say "Welcome to the Addiction".

 

[WildRose]

Oh I must add that yes I've lost my mind and as of this morning I picked up the phone and called Sniper Country PX and "pulled the trigger" on the 5R 260 to go along with the Ruger.

It will be quite interesting I'm sure breaking them both in at the same time and comparing their performance.

I will of course keep you all updated on my progress.

BTW to any of you thinking hard on purchasing one of these Scott had the best price for this model I could find anywhere and he's an extremely nice fellow to deal with. I'd hazard to say you flat will not regret doing business with him.

 

[MudRunner2005]

Oh I must add that yes I've lost my mind and as of this morning I picked up the phone and called Sniper Country PX and "pulled the trigger" on the 5R 260 to go along with the Ruger.

It will be quite interesting I'm sure breaking them both in at the same time and comparing their performance.

I will of course keep you all updated on my progress.

BTW to any of you thinking hard on purchasing one of these Scott had the best price for this model I could find anywhere and he's an extremely nice fellow to deal with. I'd hazard to say you flat will not regret doing business with him.

Don't forget to call Midway or Brownells and order a Timely or a Jewell...

Glad to hear you are taking a chance on the Rem. If I had a job, I would have already ordered one, but seeing as to how being unemployed this long has seemingly racked up my credit card again... It would just about tap it out for me to do so... So, I eagerly await your report back.

Also, with my new rifles, some might think this is a bit excessive, but before I ever shoot it (especially with factory barrels) I always tend to pull the whole rifle apart, clean out any/all cosmoline or metal shards from production, swap & tune the trigger, scrub the bore down to the white and patch it dry before ever shooting them, and then I run a couple of wet patches soaked in Kroil down the bore to help pre-season the metal. Haven't had a factory rifle shoot more than 3/4" out of the box yet with handloads and before even being "broken-in". After a few sets of 5, it really settles in and starts shooting good.

 

[WildRose]

Don't forget to call Midway or Brownells and order a Timely or a Jewell...

Glad to hear you are taking a chance on the Rem. If I had a job, I would have already ordered one, but seeing as to how being unemployed this long has seemingly racked up my credit card again... It would just about tap it out for me to do so... So, I eagerly await your report back.

Also, with my new rifles, some might think this is a bit excessive, but before I ever shoot it (especially with factory barrels) I always tend to pull the whole rifle apart, clean out any/all cosmoline or metal shards from production, swap & tune the trigger, scrub the bore down to the white and patch it dry before ever shooting them, and then I run a couple of wet patches soaked in Kroil down the bore to help pre-season the metal. Haven't had a factory rifle shoot more than 3/4" out of the box yet with handloads and before even being "broken-in". After a few sets of 5, it really settles in and starts shooting good.

Well MR I sincerely hope you get that solved sooner rather than later. I've been there and it can get frustrating, depressing, aggravating and scary.

I was out of a job once for 2 weeks and started my own business to work my way back into solvency. I've stayed self employed ever since even if at time I took a job from someone else to help with the bills.

Back on the subject, I do pretty much the same. Some of the preservatives used particularly in older models that may be "New Old Stock" can be really dry and hard and not something you'd want to have in your barrel when you put the first round down through it.

Once I get that taken care of believe it or not I'll swab the barrel with a patch soaked in lapping compound and leave it in for the first five rounds, then I'll clean the snot out of it and repeat for three more and repeat the cleaning.

From there I'll swab it lightly with machinegunners lube run five, clean & swab, run 10 clean and swab.

You won't believe what the barrel looks like after "conditioning" it that way.

It will run clean, fast and very little copper fouling.

After that once I clean a barrel I'll usually run two or three foulers through it and swab again with the MGL lightly and put it away.

Other than the fact it has a pretty nasty smell to it I've become an extreme fan of it as both a lube/conditioner and protectant.

It comes in a quart spray bottle (I think it's a quart) and it goes so far I think this bottle is on it's third year.

Love the stuff and I've noticed that Lucas Oil/Lube has gotten into the firearms market and if these products work as well as their diesel fuel and oil conditioners they are going to be amazing.

The number of choices we have today for just about everything compared to the seventies and eighties is amazing.

 

[WildRose]

PS, on the triggers I've already got a couple of these and after a little adjustment and lapping of them (bathing in lapping compound and just working the hell out of them) I have found them to be more than acceptable.

If I were going to go with an aftermarket it would have to be a set trigger which is really what should be the standard for precision rifles anyhow.

I don't understand why they are not more popular in the US as they have been used extensively in Europe for longer than you and I have been alive. I suspect it's all about liability but with the single set trigger there's not going to be an AD unless you just do something stupid.

 

[Greyfox]

Great decision. I think you will be impressed with the Milspec. LOL, I think we all have a tendency to loose our mind with this sport.
Speaking of loosing ones mind, I just bought a Huber Concepts 2 stage for my latest build which I just started another thread on the site. It was pricey-at $400, but it is one of the nicest triggers I have owned, particularly since I have a preference for two stage triggers. While this is my first two stage trigger mounted on one of my LRH rifles, I have used them extensively on my hunting and competition AR's, as well as my A4 1903 Springfield used for vintage sniper competition. At 2.5# total weight, I find that the subtractive nature of the two stage gives the feel of a lighter trigger(about 1.5#), but with better control. I do a lot of hunting in freezing temperatures. Interestingly, I don't hear of a lot(if any) LR hunters using two stage triggers.

 

[tbrice23]

Great decision. I think you will be impressed with the Milspec. LOL, I think we all have a tendency to loose our mind with this sport.
Speaking of loosing ones mind, I just bought a Huber Concepts 2 stage for my latest build which I just started another thread on the site. It was pricey-at $400, but it is one of the nicest triggers I have owned, particularly since I have a preference for two stage triggers. While this is my first two stage trigger mounted on one of my LRH rifles, I have used them extensively on my hunting and competition AR's, as well as my A4 1903 Springfield used for vintage sniper competition. At 2.5# total weight, I find that the subtractive nature of the two stage gives the feel of a lighter trigger(about 1.5#), but with better control. I do a lot of hunting in freezing temperatures. Interestingly, I don't hear of a lot(if any) LR hunters using two stage triggers.

I've often wished I could have my Geissele High Speed Match for a couple of my Bolt rifles.

 

[Greyfox]

I've often wished I could have my Geissele High Speed Match for a couple of my Bolt rifles.

I use that trigger on my competition AR....excellent trigger! The Huber and the Timney 2 stage triggers for the Remington 700 are as nice, if not better.

 

[WildRose]

Well MR got my gears to turning so if I can't get the Rem trigger to operating satisfactorily I am probably heading in the direction of the Jard single set drop in unit to give it a run.

I'm a lot more concerned initially with just getting the 260's cleaned up scoped broke in properly and see how they are going to shoot.

 

[the444shooter]

Found this review from gunblast on the new Gen2 5R (this one was .308)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wax3XaqWxD4&feature=youtu.be

 

[tbrice23]

Oh I must add that yes I've lost my mind and as of this morning I picked up the phone and called Sniper Country PX and "pulled the trigger" on the 5R 260 to go along with the Ruger.

It will be quite interesting I'm sure breaking them both in at the same time and comparing their performance.

I will of course keep you all updated on my progress.

BTW to any of you thinking hard on purchasing one of these Scott had the best price for this model I could find anywhere and he's an extremely nice fellow to deal with. I'd hazard to say you flat will not regret doing business with him.

Remington lists the 260 rem model with a 1:11.25 twist, I hope that's incorrect. ????

 

[WildRose]

Remington lists the 260 rem model with a 1:11.25 twist, I hope that's incorrect. ????

So do I. That has to be a mistake unless they are figuring a maximum of about a 100gr bullet.

The product description for this model shows 1:8

Gen2 Model 700 5R .260 Remington 24 Inch Threaded Fluted Barrel 5/8-24 TPI Black Cerakote Stainless Steel HS Precision Stock Sand With Black Webbing 4 Round. Gen2 model 700 with X-Mark Pro Trigger and the M700 stainless steel barreled action, threaded barrel with 5R rifling. 5/8-24 threads. Black Cerakote coated stainless steel barrel. HS Precision stock; sand with black webbing. Tactical bolt knob. Twist Rate: 1:8

http://www.snipercountrypx.com/product/remington-700-ss-5r-w24-threaded-barrel-260-rem/

 

[WildRose]

I've often wished I could have my Geissele High Speed Match for a couple of my Bolt rifles.

The only upgraded AR triggers I've tried are the JP drop in units and man do I like them!