NRA In Serious Trouble?

[Greyfox]

It's not the NRA's fault that WE - you, me, the NRA, and all Constitutionalists - are fighting against a global movement of no borders, no individual rights, and planned international socialism, pushed by the people who print the money, buy the politicians, and make all the decisions.

WE have very few allies in government, because they are owned. WE have no allies in the media, because they are owned propaganda mouthpieces for the "change" that is being rammed down our throats. Dude, I hate to say it, but WE are not taking ground, we are holding off the collectivist orcs who are swarming our walls and wont give up until they put out all the lights, everywhere.

So yeah, the NRA is fighting to hold them back, while malcontents stab the NRA in the back during the battle. It's time to close ranks. What we are facing is dark. If you are a Christian you know that this "one world" movement plays into the end times and the Tribulation. Before they can get their way, they have to put out the lights - extinguish the last freedom, crush the last dissent- here in America like they have elsewhere. So stand firm. That's all you can do. Don't blame the NRA for your silencer. Look at who WE are all up against.

You are absolutely correct, particularly your comment. "while malcontents stab the NRA in the back during the battle".
The left has always been out to diminish the NRA, but they turned up the heat during Obamas reign to not only turn the general public against the NRA, but also turn gun owners/members against the NRA, by inserting disrupters with false narratives into our forums. They are highly skilled at misdirection, convincing susceptible targets to the focus on the "trees", and off the forest. We should never underestimate the extremes they will go with illicit actions and propaganda to achieve their goals! We should be highly suspect of the "claimed" mis-deeds of the NRA!!! We have all experienced first hand the Lefts successful cultivation of complete lies in order to advance their agenda. The cornerstone strategy of the left is to exploit the ignorance of the electorate.(Their words, not mine).

 

[MudRunner2005]

but also turn gun owners/members against the NRA, by inserting disrupters with false narratives into our forums. They are highly skilled at misdirection, convincing susceptible targets to the focus on the "trees", and off the forest.

I can assure you I'm not a "disruptor", at least not on purpose... I'm just voicing my opinion based on the facts of what they've done...If you don't believe it, do the research yourself. They're not the same organization they started out as. LaPierre and Cox are the ones that should be highly questioned about their motives...Along with Marrion Hammer. Not folks like me who actually see the forest for the trees, and don't just blindly support an organization because my daddy did, and his daddy did, etc..., etc... It's called free-thinking. They say they fully-support the 2A in one breath, and want you to join and give them your money, but when it comes time to act, they pizz on all our rights by saying that we should ban a piece of plastic over completely fake facts about a false flag and coverup. I'm just tired of seeing my rights diminish over the stupidity of others, and all this "greater good" bullsh!t is just commie/socialist brainwashing. Each individual has the rights, and the rights of the individual will ALWAYS supersede the rights of the group...But D.C. has gotten so corrupt and powerful, they're now making up crap as they go along, and are just completely spitting on our Constitution.

 

[Deleted member 107796]

the middle ground fallacy is exactly that. A fallacy.

There are two diametrically opposite, absolute theories of government at war here. They are not going to meet somewhere in the middle because they are oil and water, Darkness and Light.

1. The Right: Individual liberty comes from the same God who gives a conscience. It is a natural right, and as such it is the building block of government.
"They are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights" (Jefferson) which the government does not have the authority to subvert. And "Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." (Adams) This individual morality enlightens and benefits the whole, without the fallible government ever having to get involved. Because "Sometimes it is said that man cannot be trusted with the government of himself. Can he, then be trusted with the government of others? Or have we found angels in the form of kings to govern him? Let history answer this question." (Jefferson)

vs the idea that morality (the determination of Right and Wrong) is dictated by the State (Stalin called it "political correctness") and therefore government may do anything so long as it "benefits" the cultural progression toward humanistic "utopia"

2. The Left: "There has never been any saviour of the world, Nor deities .... on which to depend To create Humankind's happiness We must entirely depend on ourselves!" (the International Socialist anthem). and "In practice, no less than in theory, our movement is incompatible with religious faith. ...the Party prescribes for the members of the party definite lines of conduct. The moral code of every religion in like manner prescribes for the faithful some definite line of conduct. For example, the Christian code runs: 'Whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.' In most cases there is an irreconcilable conflict between the principles of our tactics and the commandments of religion. A socialist who rejects the commandments of religion and acts in accordance with the directions of the party, ceases to be one of the faithful. On the other hand, one who, while calling himself a socialist, continues to cling to his religious faith, one who in the name of religious commandments infringes the prescriptions of the party, ceases thereby to be a socialist." (Bukharin)

these are just a few quick examples of original text which demonstrates the incompatibility and absolute positions of both our Constitutional Republic, and the International Socialism which the DNC has expoused.

+1 on the guy's comment about Jesus.
I find these simple generalizations, although true for so many in our country, simply as laughable as the comments about secret plants in these forums or the demonization of "a greater good" only because one of their democrat demons used that phrase! The only way your generalizations are true, is if you don't even apply context to "Left or Right." Somebody wrote earlier that my leanings were clear. I certainly hope so but don't confuse it some silly generalization that I'm broadly, a liberal or from the left. In this specific issue, I don't believe the NRA stands at all or does enough for public safety. That's all. As to the generalizations, I'm a strict fiscal conservative that doesn't need anything from anyone else. I see many on the "right" that are neck deep in debt (FISCAL LIBERAL) and follow leaders that spend like the worst Dem or lie like eating peanuts. Is that L or R?

Separately, this forum has made me glad to be an American even more. Any country, group or whoever that loves groups that have no say to individually disagree, is more Russian, Chinese or Afghani/Mexican warlord-like in my opinion.

 

[Deleted member 107796]

I don't think a single point in this statement is true. Please explain each of them for all here.

Thanks for calling me a liar. You must be a great Christian.
I'll explain since you had the manners to write "please." I easily bought 12+ guns from Budsgunshop at great prices and very easily, during the Obama admin. Also, my 401ks rebounded during the Obama admin after they plummeted from the bailouts that we all took part of. There's 2 points, clear and concise. You can just ignore my comments. I'd rather that than being called a liar.

 

[RockyMtnMT]

Thanks for calling me a liar. You must be a great Christian.
I'll explain since you had the manners to write "please." I easily bought 12+ guns from Budsgunshop at great prices and very easily, during the Obama admin. Also, my 401ks rebounded during the Obama admin after they plummeted from the bailouts that we all took part of. There's 2 points, clear and concise. You can just ignore my comments. I'd rather that than being called a liar.

I did not call you a liar. You took it that way.

As far as your justification of your points that I questioned, you must be in nirvana now.

 

[Deleted member 48126]

Thanks for calling me a liar. You must be a great Christian.
I'll explain since you had the manners to write "please." I easily bought 12+ guns from Budsgunshop at great prices and very easily, during the Obama admin. Also, my 401ks rebounded during the Obama admin after they plummeted from the bailouts that we all took part of. There's 2 points, clear and concise. You can just ignore my comments. I'd rather that than being called a liar.

I don't think anyone called you a liar. I hope you didn't interpret anything I said as calling you out or calling you a liar. That was not my intention.

 

[tuscan]

Thanks for calling me a liar. You must be a great Christian.
I'll explain since you had the manners to write "please." I easily bought 12+ guns from Budsgunshop at great prices and very easily, during the Obama admin. Also, my 401ks rebounded during the Obama admin after they plummeted from the bailouts that we all took part of. There's 2 points, clear and concise. You can just ignore my comments. I'd rather that than being called a liar.

Sir, the "bailouts" did not cause the market value of your investments to plummet. The conditions which caused the market value of your investments to plummet brought about the "bailouts" in response. From that, the people got a stabilized financial sector. If more banks had failed, you would likely have experienced a much more substantial plummet in your investments. By the way, all of the financial sector "bailout" money was paid back, with interest and profits. All in all, a pretty good investment. President Obama had very little to do with any of this, including the recovery of the value of your investments, since it was placed in motion before he took office. Nor did he have much to do with your ready access to guns, other than if you credit him with not being able to implement the more stringent gun controls that are a central plank of his party.

 

[Riflehunter1776]

speaking of bitter tears, look at the seething bias and angst manifested in this WaPo (American Pravda) article about Trump and the NRA WINNING.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...obal-arms-treaty/ar-BBWjL4J?OCID=ansmsnnews11

lol.

 

[Greyfox]

I can assure you I'm not a "disruptor", at least not on purpose... I'm just voicing my opinion based on the facts of what they've done...If you don't believe it, do the research yourself. They're not the same organization they started out as. LaPierre and Cox are the ones that should be highly questioned about their motives...Along with Marrion Hammer. Not folks like me who actually see the forest for the trees, and don't just blindly support an organization because my daddy did, and his daddy did, etc..., etc... It's called free-thinking. They say they fully-support the 2A in one breath, and want you to join and give them your money, but when it comes time to act, they pizz on all our rights by saying that we should ban a piece of plastic over completely fake facts about a false flag and coverup. I'm just tired of seeing my rights diminish over the stupidity of others, and all this "greater good" bullsh!t is just commie/socialist brainwashing. Each individual has the rights, and the rights of the individual will ALWAYS supersede the rights of the group...But D.C. has gotten so corrupt and powerful, they're now making up crap as they go along, and are just completely spitting on our Constitution.

My post wasn't directed at any particular individual posting on this thread. But, since you referenced my post I'm inclined to respond. The "facts" associated with the events you elude to may very well lack full context, and are subject to your personal interpretation, for which you then draw an opinion.....as you so state. You know what they say about opinions......
I contend that while the NRA may not be perfect, for reasons discussed in my prior post, I stand by my opinion that the NRA is the best option we have. Ask yourself this. Why does the left continually say that destroying the NRA is one of their "primary" missions? There is actually one of the Presidential candidates(idiot) bitching about the NRA as I type this. If the NRA is/was so ineffective why would the left be so hell bent on killing them off? What do they fear? What can't they achieve because of them? These observations are real and for everyone to observe first hand. While there are many reasons I support them, just this aspect alone is enough to highly motivate me to support the NRA.

 

[Deleted member 48126]

My post wasn't directed at any particular individual posting on this thread. But, since you referenced my post I'm inclined to respond. The "facts" associated with the events you elude to may very well lack full context, and are subject to your personal interpretation, for which you then draw an opinion.....as you so state. You know what they say about opinions......
I contend that while the NRA may not be perfect, for reasons discussed in my prior post, I stand by my opinion that the NRA is the best option we have. Ask yourself this. Why does the left continually say that destroying the NRA is one of their "primary" missions? There is actually one of the Presidential candidates(idiot) bitching about the NRA as I type this. If the NRA is/was so ineffective why would the left be so hell bent on killing them off? What do they fear? What can't they achieve because of them? These observations are real and for everyone to observe first hand. While there are many reasons I support them, just this aspect alone is enough to highly motivate me to support the NRA.

Good point but if only if GOA had the same support as the NRA! Then it would be game on for pressuring the courts.

 

[BigGrizz]

I ditched the NRA after their little league level attempt at handling Sandy Hook while Larry Pratt/GOA were not compromising one iota. It's only been recently that the NRA has started to come out hard in support of the original meaning of the 2nd while the GOA has been all for it, full tilt.

The NRA has been a target for some time, it over pays its celebrity endorsers while the GOA grinds away by tackling local and state policy.

I've also noticed a lot of referring to people as "Fudds" from multiple gun industry articles and gun related YouTube channels. GTFO with that crap. If somebody doesn't want to actively support AR style rifles, thats their choice. Do not turn them into pariahs for it just because everybody isn't some doomsday-prepper.

The NRA and it's ilk have become a lot more delusional and cannibalistic without the hard grassroots support of pro-gun laws. If the NRA collapses, so be it. They suffer from John Kerry-ish flip-flopping going wherever the political winds blow.

Gun people will continue to be gun people. Gun people should support gun people. The NRA has been raising too many eyebrows from inside and out. A collapse and reform, or merger with GOA is the way forward.

 

[Nomosendero]

Thanks for calling me a liar. You must be a great Christian.
I'll explain since you had the manners to write "please." I easily bought 12+ guns from Budsgunshop at great prices and very easily, during the Obama admin. Also, my 401ks rebounded during the Obama admin after they plummeted from the bailouts that we all took part of. There's 2 points, clear and concise. You can just ignore my comments. I'd rather that than being called a liar.

Ya think !! Yes, guns that were not targeted by Socialist Demoncraps were sold at a good price for a while, well duh! Yes, some handguns & AR type rifles were being sold at a premium in those days & demand for the non targeted guns fell off for a while, a no-brainer. Yes, the ole supply and demand thing, Ahh
Looking at my 401K now compared to the Muzzie years, haaa, got to be kidding.
How about those growth numbers, ha. And there was nothing Conservative about Bush, an Obummer lite, fun stuff.

 

[Nomosendero]

My post wasn't directed at any particular individual posting on this thread. But, since you referenced my post I'm inclined to respond. The "facts" associated with the events you elude to may very well lack full context, and are subject to your personal interpretation, for which you then draw an opinion.....as you so state. You know what they say about opinions......
I contend that while the NRA may not be perfect, for reasons discussed in my prior post, I stand by my opinion that the NRA is the best option we have. Ask yourself this. Why does the left continually say that destroying the NRA is one of their "primary" missions? There is actually one of the Presidential candidates(idiot) bitching about the NRA as I type this. If the NRA is/was so ineffective why would the left be so hell bent on killing them off? What do they fear? What can't they achieve because of them? These observations are real and for everyone to observe first hand. While there are many reasons I support them, just this aspect alone is enough to highly motivate me to support the NRA.

Yea, I agree. I heard the President Trump speech given today at the GOA show. Oh, I'm sorry, it was the NRA show. The format that the NRA can provide to newcommers is great and powerful, I am upset with them for a few things as well, but I won't walk away from them at this point at least over the stupid bump stock matter nor would I need to in order to sign up with GOA, who is hardly a ripple at this point. And like Greyfox says, they are hated by Libs for a reason.

 

[Deleted member 48126]

Yea, I agree. I heard the President Trump speech given today at the GOA show. Oh, I'm sorry, it was the NRA show. The format that the NRA can provide to newcommers is great and powerful, I am upset with them for a few things as well, but I won't walk away from them at this point at least over the stupid bump stock matter nor would I need to in order to sign up with GOA, who is hardly a ripple at this point. And like Greyfox says, they are hated by Libs for a reason.

As long as libs keep thinking they are evil, then I still have a place for the NRA in my heart.

If they can get cans off the class two list that would be a huge victory. It makes absolutely no sense.