I have a .308 10T which is an excellent rifle. Never being happy with the OEM magazines, I've placed it in an MDT chassis and put a Timney trigger in it. Out of the box, once the action was properly torqued, it was printing under 1/2" at 100 yds.
New ELR world record set with a factory Savage 338 lapua!
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I have a .308 10T which is an excellent rifle. Never being happy with the OEM magazines, I've placed it in an MDT chassis and put a Timney trigger in it. Out of the box, once the action was properly torqued, it was printing under 1/2" at 100 yds.
jasent
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Loving my savage 112 target magnum.
Great shooting randy
Great shooting randy
jasent
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ive gotten a lot of judgment and snickers with my build. We will see who gets the last laughThe looks/laughs/judgement is probably what I get when I do the opposite and show up to hunt elk with a .375 Snipetac.Folks gonna judge no matter what you do. There are plenty of guys on this site that judge you when you hunt long range.
My first long range rifle was a 112 in 7mm RemMag, one of the most accurate rifles I've ever owned. How's this for a laugh; the thought has popped up in my head more than once to sell my amazingly accurate full custom .375 Snipetac and doing what jasent is doing with a 112 Savage .338 and turning it into a XC (except I'd want the .33 version, probably carbon wrapped barrel). I would just like the lighter rifle and sacrificing a little performance doesn't bother me...much. Crazy huh?!
This is really a "feel good" story. That stock he's using isn't exactly cheap and by the picture, he has a specialty base on the scope. Still... short of a stock Savage Axis, the set up doesn't get more basic that what he has. This one is all shooter!
yobuck
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Well with all due respect to the "shooter", there has never really been any shortage of them, or good guns either.
But a check of the records will find that even at 1000 yds there has been a shortage of "repeat performers". So how is that explained?
But a check of the records will find that even at 1000 yds there has been a shortage of "repeat performers". So how is that explained?
gohring3006
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He wins more times than not at 1000 yard matches with a 223 pistol. He's a accomplished shooter, this is just one trophy of several.
yobuck
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Well again no intent on slighting the shooter or the accomplishment here.
But the fact is that every match has a winner.
But winning a match or even lots of them, isn't the same as setting a world record.
And the fact remains that no one has ever duplicated their own world record or beat it.
It matters very little actually as to being the so called best and using the so called best in order to set a new record.
It's a thing called proper timing, with it we could win, without it we lose.
And it's true with most things in some form.
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Now, not trying to flame this in anyway. I build custom long range big game rifles, not in the comp world so wondering, what exactly makes this a world record??
Is it because its a factory rifle?
Looking at the target, judging from the 26" factory barrel length stated, the target seems to be around 30" square. That means the group looks to be around 25" ctc or so or over 1 moa. That can not be the qualification for the world record....
Many have mentioned shot #2 was a flier...... why are we saying that? This is a factory rifle with a factory throat. One of the issues with factory rifles is the quality of throats and chamber alignment to the bore, as well as squareness and trueness of machining of the entire system. Often times these all add up to either horizontal or vertical stringing. Horizontal is good for these three shots, vertical, for 2100 yards plus certainly not bad but again, whats the qualifying criteria that makes this a world record?
The reason people like me are able to make a living because factory rifles are so inconsistent from rifle to rifle, even from day to day. With the new chassis style stocks being used this does take some variables out of the equation but just this year i have been contacted by 9 guys shooting factory rifles with HORROR stories. Two of these were Savage, 3 were rems, 2 Brownings and 2 rugers.
Issues so bad that the only hope to correct them was either complete rifle replacement by factory or total rebuild. The two savage rifles, one had a barrel so off axial alignment that the owner could not zero the rifle at 100 yards even with a scope that had 130 moa of vertical adjustment.
The other Savage has something seriously wrong with the barrel and would not even stabilize factory loaded ammo. This one was a 7mm rem mag and it key holed everything we shot in it, even 140 gr flat base spitzers. Scoping the bore showed no reason for this and checking the barrel twist showed close to advertised twist......
Point is, for every factory rifle that will shoot moa at 2100 yards, there are a thousand that will not. Maybe thats why this is a worthy world record.
With a quality custom rifle, what you get is consistency. Not only in one rifle but every rifle. Sure there can be issues but by and large, a custom rifle from a quality builder will shoot far more consistently then any factory rifle. That is the reason why they seperate custom rifles from factory rifles in comp, there is no comparision. Just look at group size and score between the two and it is clear.
Now the looks down the nose that some people give to those shooting factory rigs is a problem with those people for sure. One reason i have never gotten into comp. just no reason to be around those types and there are alot out there like that.
I have talked a load of people out of my rifles and to learn the sport by getting them set up with a good factory rifle with good optics and tell them to use good ammo, practice shooting and prove their drops and many are happy. Still, most, over time, come back for a full custom rifle and not one that has done that has ever said, man, i wish i was still shooting a factory rifle after they have experienced the results of a good, top quality custom rifle.
Obviously this factory rifle shoots but please do not make it sound like custom rifles are a waste because todays factory rifles are so good, that is certainly not accurate, especially when you look at a decent number of factory rifle samples. A very significant percentage of them are very poor quality and it shows in their down range performance.
Again, not flaming at all, just curious what the world record status was for? Factory rifle i assume but just curious. Hell at least he has three shots on steel, get real tired of seeing these WORLD RECORD hits at extreme range where they have a wall of steel at 5000 yards, shoot all day and accidentally have a bullet tumble into the steel and call it a world record. I call that a waste of time, money, components and barrel life personally.
I have always said an moa group at 2k would impress me much more then any single HIT at 5000 yards.
jasent
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jasent
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For the record he was competing against many full customs
yobuck
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Might be a wiser move to buy lottery tickets. Lol
I'd suggest that he did well also because his was in a chassis. The Axis was the worst reviewed of the Savage lineup, in it's basic OEM stock. My 10T was a bit wobbly out of the box, but straightened right up when the action was torqued to suggested spec. This shooter (and Savage) put paid to the old adage "You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear!"
yobuck
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You cant make that sow fat by shoving corn up it's arse either.
Don't be buying into much of this stuff until you've tried some of it.
For starters, be satisfied with a measly 1500 yds. Lol
After you torque the action of coarse.
Don't be buying into much of this stuff until you've tried some of it.
For starters, be satisfied with a measly 1500 yds. Lol
After you torque the action of coarse.
