Meanwhile on RS they're killin bear, deer, elk , and moose with .223 and 77gr TMK.

[xsn10s]

Weird that the velocity difference is so high with just 2 grains difference in weight.

Different charges of powder. I picked the accurate load with decent velocity.

 

[xsn10s]

Weird that the velocity difference is so high with just 2 grains difference in weight.

That's just the beginning of my load development for the 75 ELDM. I noticed that the feed ramp on my AR15 was taking chunks out of the polymer tip of the 75 ELDM's. I'll probably seat the 75 ELDM's slightly deeper and modify one of my mags this week. I could go hotter but the group opened up when I went .4 gr higher.

 

[xsn10s]

Terminal results with 73 gr ELDM.

.223 for bear, deer, elk and moose.

@Fartrell Cluggins that looks alot like the places I hunt in Sothwest Georgia. People that hunt out west will say "how can you not follow a blood trail?" I've tracked alot of deer and a good number of those I've been crawling through privet thickets and grown up clear cuts. Pretty places you...

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[fisherman983]

The guy that's spearheading that change and also who helped test and design the new ugly af rokstock and his name is Chuck but everyone wants to keel it a secret. He's some super duper military intelligence tier one operator dude.
He's also responsible for the berger 215 hybrid shortage. He helped test them and get the military snipers to switch bullets.

His name is Chuck. Aka formidilous

 

[G19Jeeper]

Cartridges are like trucks. When you have a heavy trailer, why go light on the rig? Just cause you CAN doesn't mean you should. It's an ethics issue. You might be able to kill a 1200 lb Grizzly with a .223 but that doesn't mean you should. You might be able to tow at or slightly above rated tow capacity of a 1 ton truck but that doesn't mean you should. Better tools for the job.

 

[xsn10s]

Cartridges are like trucks. When you have a heavy trailer, why go light on the rig? Just cause you CAN doesn't mean you should. It's an ethics issue. You might be able to kill a 1200 lb Grizzly with a .223 but that doesn't mean you should. You might be able to tow at or slightly above rated tow capacity of a 1 ton truck but that doesn't mean you should. Better tools for the job.

So where in the thread did they advocate to use the .223 77 tmk on grizzlies?

 

[G19Jeeper]

So where in the thread did they advocate to use the .223 77 tmk on grizzlies?

They didn't. It's a hyperbole to get the point across. There's a correct tool for the job.

 

[xsn10s]

They didn't. It's a hyperbole to get the point across. There's a correct tool for the job.

Comparison of 180 TTSX out of a 300 WM and the .223 77 TMK. https://rokslide.com/forums/threads/223-for-bear-deer-elk-and-moose.130488/page-268#post-3362822

 

[xsn10s]

Bull elk taken with 77 TMK.

.223 for bear, deer, elk and moose.

What a cute kid lol, I like the art work. Nice shot! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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[xsn10s]

Bear taken with 77 TMK. Made a mess of the heart and lungs.

.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

Shot my bull yesterday morning. 171 yard shot with AAC 77 gr TMK. I saw this in the hotel the day before hiking in for my hunt. Thanks for giving me a little more confidence in the set up and congrats on the bull.

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[Ol' Red]

Bear taken with 77 TMK. Made a mess of the heart and lungs.

.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

Shot my bull yesterday morning. 171 yard shot with AAC 77 gr TMK. I saw this in the hotel the day before hiking in for my hunt. Thanks for giving me a little more confidence in the set up and congrats on the bull.

rokslide.com

I have been following this thread, but honestly not taking it serious. I shoot .223 for prairie dogs. I finally looked at the pictures of black bear and elk shot with 77 grain TMK. That's a lot of damage. As the saying goes "Bolt me to an axle and call me shocked"

 

[Kiowa Cowboy]

Regardless of what each of us decides to do with this information, this is a great thread very educational. Boy have bullets come a long way!!!

 

[69precision]

We shoot a lot of cattle, ranch rule is 22 only, maybe so the eyes stay in lol
Interesting thing is that they never even take a single step.
Most of the time their legs fold under them, and they do an odd bounce off the ground when they fall. They are big, heavy, tough, and yet the 22 with a light bullet is always a 1 and done, instantly.

I used to work at a meat packing plant. Same thing. On one hand it does show you can kill anything with a pretty small round. It's kind of irrelevant though because with a distance of about 4 inches max, it doesn't account for any energy loss over distance and also every shot is perfect placement.

 

[xsn10s]

I have been following this thread, but honestly not taking it serious. I shoot .223 for prairie dogs. I finally looked at the pictures of black bear and elk shot with 77 grain TMK. That's a lot of damage. As the saying goes "Bolt me to an axle and call me shocked"

Honestly I didn't put much stock into it either in the beginning. But after studying the terminal pictures the results started to mimic premium hunting bullets from much larger cartridges.